GA paying fair (fare?) share

Having seen the recent diatribes from airline executives, I feel like I
could just about throw up.

Don't these idiots realize that if it was not for their "all important"
fleets of precious cargo we could slash ATC by 90 plus percent?

Let's see how well they can compete with the charters if they start having
to fly right traffic while announcing their position when the tower goes
away.

"Dude" wrote in message
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Having seen the recent diatribes from airline executives, I feel like I
could just about throw up.

Don't these idiots realize that if it was not for their "all important"
fleets of precious cargo we could slash ATC by 90 plus percent?

How do you figure that?

"Dude" wrote in message
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Having seen the recent diatribes from airline executives, I feel like I
could just about throw up.

Don't these idiots realize that if it was not for their "all important"
fleets of precious cargo we could slash ATC by 90 plus percent?

How do you figure that?




Because GA (non-biz jet) uses very little of the ATC capacity
(Tower/TRACON/Center/etc.).

No Spam

"No Spam" wrote in message
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Because GA (non-biz jet) uses very little of the ATC capacity
(Tower/TRACON/Center/etc.).


Why exclude biz-jets?

I figure if we only had the ATC necessary for GA, and the scheduled planes
had to use that, then there would be no towers at most of what are now class
C airports. Also, the class B airports would easily get by as class C, or
even D.

Yes, we use those towers for free, but if the towers were not there, it
would not cost us so much in fuel and insurance that we would go broke.
Now, lets say a Delta 737 has to enter the traffic pattern whenever the
field is VFR...

They would be unable to function. We don't piggyback off of their ATC
infrastructure because we NEED it. THEY NEED IT. I could fly IFR all over
using a CTAF like system to announce my presence on the airways, and on
approaches. The reason I cannot is because of THEM.

We put up a class B to keep ME away from THEM when I am not IFR. Now they
count it as me using ATC service everytime I leave my airport. My use of
the system is mostly for THEIR benefit.

The whole system is designed around THEIR needs, not ours.



"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
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"Dude" wrote in message
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Having seen the recent diatribes from airline executives, I feel like I
could just about throw up.

Don't these idiots realize that if it was not for their "all important"
fleets of precious cargo we could slash ATC by 90 plus percent?

How do you figure that?

So what would be equitable?

A per-seat capitation? A capitation based on gross weight? or a per-user
fee? While it would cost me more in the pocketbook, I have a hard time
seeing that I am financing my share of services using JUST the avgas
fuel tax.... (and if I go autogas, or deisel.. dont I get a TOTAL free
ride?). Prove that the status quo is fair and equitable. We (as GA) have
been getting a hell of a deal, in my mind.

On the other hand.. paying 50 bucks for a flight briefing and another 50
for flight following for me in a spam can would be prohibitive in the
long run (since i flight follow on almost every flight out of the pattern).

Dave


Dude wrote:

Having seen the recent diatribes from airline executives, I feel like I
could just about throw up.

Don't these idiots realize that if it was not for their "all important"
fleets of precious cargo we could slash ATC by 90 plus percent?

Let's see how well they can compete with the charters if they start having
to fly right traffic while announcing their position when the tower goes
away.

Except that the ATC system was put in place because the airline demanded
it. Look at the history, going back to the 1920's. I'd be perfectly
happy flying GPS direct, with no ATC involvement at all.

Dave S wrote:
So what would be equitable?

A per-seat capitation? A capitation based on gross weight? or a per-user
fee? While it would cost me more in the pocketbook, I have a hard time
seeing that I am financing my share of services using JUST the avgas
fuel tax.... (and if I go autogas, or deisel.. dont I get a TOTAL free
ride?). Prove that the status quo is fair and equitable. We (as GA) have
been getting a hell of a deal, in my mind.

On the other hand.. paying 50 bucks for a flight briefing and another 50
for flight following for me in a spam can would be prohibitive in the
long run (since i flight follow on almost every flight out of the pattern).

Dave


Dude wrote:

Having seen the recent diatribes from airline executives, I feel like I
could just about throw up.

Don't these idiots realize that if it was not for their "all important"
fleets of precious cargo we could slash ATC by 90 plus percent?

Let's see how well they can compete with the charters if they start
having
to fly right traffic while announcing their position when the tower goes
away.

Rip wrote:

I'd be perfectly happy flying GPS direct, with no ATC involvement at all.

Actually, I *DO* that. You don't?

CriticalMass wrote:
Rip wrote:

I'd be perfectly happy flying GPS direct, with no ATC involvement at all.


Actually, I *DO* that. You don't?



That works, no vor, no adf, no dg . Pure GPS .

I was referring to IFR. Sorry.

CriticalMass wrote:
Rip wrote:

I'd be perfectly happy flying GPS direct, with no ATC involvement at all.


Actually, I *DO* that. You don't?