Red V symbol (log file not valid) after OLC upload.

I use a Cambridge 25. Also using the cai2igc4olcb zip exe files for
conversion.
The program appears to successfully convert stating Seal; intact, Date
integrity check PASS, Security check PASS
After upload to OLC, the notorious RED V symbol (log file not valid)
appears for the flight.

Using Windows XP 32 bit.
The DOS data-cam.exe does not exist in Carl Ekdahl's script.

Would appreciate any help for successful conversion and upload.

Regards,
Shane

On Nov 22, 8:57*am, Shane Neitzey wrote:
I use a Cambridge 25. Also using the cai2igc4olcb zip exe files for
conversion.
The program appears to successfully convert stating Seal; intact, Date
integrity check PASS, Security check PASS
After upload to OLC, the notorious RED V symbol (log file not valid)
appears for the flight.

Using Windows XP 32 bit.
The DOS data-cam.exe does not exist in Carl Ekdahl's script.

Would appreciate any help for successful conversion and upload.

Regards,
Shane

I'm sure some others used to the Cambridge file conversion dance will
chime in with ideas. Best of luck Shane.

Oh and I'm surprised there hasn't been any chatter on RAS about this
tidbit of news on the OLC front page from a few weeks ago...

----
The OLC's support to GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will cease on Dezember
31st
The validation procedure of GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 is out of date
since a long time and administring it further is not sustainable. In
efforts to find a solution with representatives from the manufacturer
we could not come to a feasible conclusion. Therefore participation at
the OLC with GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will be only possible until
the end of 2011.
----

It will be interesting to see how much of a drop we'll see in US OLC
participation next year.
We appologize for any inconvenience and hope for your understanding ...

On Nov 22, 7:14*am, Tony wrote:
On Nov 22, 8:57*am, Shane Neitzey wrote:

I use a Cambridge 25. Also using the cai2igc4olcb zip exe files for
conversion.
The program appears to successfully convert stating Seal; intact, Date
integrity check PASS, Security check PASS
After upload to OLC, the notorious RED V symbol (log file not valid)
appears for the flight.

Using Windows XP 32 bit.
The DOS data-cam.exe does not exist in Carl Ekdahl's script.

Would appreciate any help for successful conversion and upload.

Regards,
Shane

I'm sure some others used to the Cambridge file conversion dance will
chime in with ideas. *Best of luck Shane.

Oh and I'm surprised there hasn't been any chatter on RAS about this
tidbit of news on the OLC front page from a few weeks ago...

----
The OLC's support to GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will cease on Dezember
31st
The validation procedure of GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 is out of date
since a long time and administring it further is not sustainable. In
efforts to find a solution with representatives from the manufacturer
we could not come to a feasible conclusion. Therefore participation at
the OLC with GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will be only possible until
the end of 2011.
----

It will be interesting to see how much of a drop we'll see in US OLC
participation next year.
We appologize for any inconvenience and hope for your understanding ...

I think the reason there hasn’t been any chatter may be because nobody
saw the announcement. Thanks for bringing it to our attention,
Tony! Unfortunately, it probably will result in a small drop in OLC
participation. I say “small drop” because I know many pilots with
older Cambridge flight recorders have been struggling for some time to
get flights validated often with no success. However, I do
understand OLC’s position on this. They are a volunteer organization
and probably have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to sort
out these problems. Furthermore there are now lots of flight
recorders (I heard 50 altogether) whose igc files are accepted by
OLC. Prices start at $140. Don’t forget other devices such as
PowerFLARM, Oudie, even certain iPhones can produce flight records
acceptable to OLC.
Michael Mitton

The OLC's support to GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will cease on Dezember
31st
The validation procedure of GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 is out of date
since a long time and administring it further is not sustainable. In
efforts to find a solution with representatives from the manufacturer
we could not come to a feasible conclusion. Therefore participation at
the OLC with GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will be only possible until
the end of 2011.
----

It will be interesting to see how much of a drop we'll see in US OLC
participation next year.
We appologize for any inconvenience and hope for your understanding ...

I think the reason there hasn’t been any chatter may be because nobody
saw the announcement. * Thanks for bringing it to our attention,
Tony! * Unfortunately, it probably will result in a small drop in OLC
participation. * I say “small drop” because I know many pilots with
older Cambridge flight recorders have been struggling for some time to
get flights validated often with no success. * However, I do
understand OLC’s position on this. * They are a volunteer organization
and probably have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to sort
out these problems. * Furthermore there are now lots of flight
recorders (I heard 50 altogether) whose igc files are accepted by
OLC. * Prices start at $140. * * Don’t forget other devices such as
PowerFLARM, Oudie, even certain iPhones can produce flight records
acceptable to OLC.
Michael Mitton

How nice of them to decide not to support the logger that started it
all. Wonder if all this really means is their latest conversion
program was set up as a one year solution, and you will still be able
to upload (although sometimes it takes several tries) a converted file
that is properly named?

Feel like I have come up to the Blazing Saddles Toll booth. Anybody
got any dimes? I got me a whole ****-load of Cambridge Loggers, but I
ain't got no dimes!

Steve Leonard

On Nov 22, 8:53*pm, Steve Leonard wrote:
The OLC's support to GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will cease on Dezember
31st
The validation procedure of GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 is out of date
since a long time and administring it further is not sustainable. In
efforts to find a solution with representatives from the manufacturer
we could not come to a feasible conclusion. Therefore participation at
the OLC with GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will be only possible until
the end of 2011.
----

It will be interesting to see how much of a drop we'll see in US OLC
participation next year.
We appologize for any inconvenience and hope for your understanding ....

I think the reason there hasn’t been any chatter may be because nobody
saw the announcement. * Thanks for bringing it to our attention,
Tony! * Unfortunately, it probably will result in a small drop in OLC
participation. * I say “small drop” because I know many pilots with
older Cambridge flight recorders have been struggling for some time to
get flights validated often with no success. * However, I do
understand OLC’s position on this. * They are a volunteer organization
and probably have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to sort
out these problems. * Furthermore there are now lots of flight
recorders (I heard 50 altogether) whose igc files are accepted by
OLC. * Prices start at $140. * * Don’t forget other devices such as
PowerFLARM, Oudie, even certain iPhones can produce flight records
acceptable to OLC.
Michael Mitton

How nice of them to decide not to support the logger that started it
all. *Wonder if all this really means is their latest conversion
program was set up as a one year solution, and you will still be able
to upload (although sometimes it takes several tries) a converted file
that is properly named?

Feel like I have come up to the Blazing Saddles Toll booth. *Anybody
got any dimes? *I got me a whole ****-load of Cambridge Loggers, but I
ain't got no dimes!

Steve Leonard

They never really did support the 10/20/25 per IGC guidelines. They
created a work-around (wrapping the cai file within an igc file) to
keep those loggers involved. It's not like they didn't spend some
effort to include them. That work-around is a messy solution and
doesn't really support the spirit of secure igc logs.

I hate that they're dropping support of these loggers. I know there
are plenty still out there in use. At the same time, I also understand
why they don't want to continue supporting this work-around.

I believe the only way those loggers will be supported on the OLC
going forward is if someone comes up with a way to correctly convert
cai to official igc files. That's probably not likely for two reasons.
One, the manufacturer has abandoned them a long time ago. Two, that
would open a loophole for fudging the security of the log.

Too bad for those who own these loggers. They're still very functional
instruments.

Maybe the solution to this problem is simply to change PDA software.

Both XCSoar and LK8000 (there may be others) create files that the OLC
accepts. For the past couple years I haven't bothered to download files
from my flight recorder. Instead I post the file generated and stored on my
PDA. The PDA generated file are have a blue "V" (OLC-valid) instead of a
green "V" (IGC-valid).

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/



"Westbender" wrote in message
...

On Nov 22, 8:53 pm, Steve Leonard wrote:
The OLC's support to GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will cease on Dezember
31st
The validation procedure of GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 is out of date
since a long time and administring it further is not sustainable. In
efforts to find a solution with representatives from the manufacturer
we could not come to a feasible conclusion. Therefore participation at
the OLC with GPS-Nav/Cambridge 10/20/25 will be only possible until
the end of 2011.
----

It will be interesting to see how much of a drop we'll see in US OLC
participation next year.
We appologize for any inconvenience and hope for your understanding
...

I think the reason there hasn’t been any chatter may be because nobody
saw the announcement. Thanks for bringing it to our attention,
Tony! Unfortunately, it probably will result in a small drop in OLC
participation. I say “small drop” because I know many pilots with
older Cambridge flight recorders have been struggling for some time to
get flights validated often with no success. However, I do
understand OLC’s position on this. They are a volunteer organization
and probably have spent an inordinate amount of time trying to sort
out these problems. Furthermore there are now lots of flight
recorders (I heard 50 altogether) whose igc files are accepted by
OLC. Prices start at $140. Don’t forget other devices such as
PowerFLARM, Oudie, even certain iPhones can produce flight records
acceptable to OLC.
Michael Mitton

How nice of them to decide not to support the logger that started it
all. Wonder if all this really means is their latest conversion
program was set up as a one year solution, and you will still be able
to upload (although sometimes it takes several tries) a converted file
that is properly named?

Feel like I have come up to the Blazing Saddles Toll booth. Anybody
got any dimes? I got me a whole ****-load of Cambridge Loggers, but I
ain't got no dimes!

Steve Leonard

They never really did support the 10/20/25 per IGC guidelines. They
created a work-around (wrapping the cai file within an igc file) to
keep those loggers involved. It's not like they didn't spend some
effort to include them. That work-around is a messy solution and
doesn't really support the spirit of secure igc logs.

I hate that they're dropping support of these loggers. I know there
are plenty still out there in use. At the same time, I also understand
why they don't want to continue supporting this work-around.

I believe the only way those loggers will be supported on the OLC
going forward is if someone comes up with a way to correctly convert
cai to official igc files. That's probably not likely for two reasons.
One, the manufacturer has abandoned them a long time ago. Two, that
would open a loophole for fudging the security of the log.

Too bad for those who own these loggers. They're still very functional
instruments.