Open Class Super-Ship from Windward Performance

http://windward-performance.com/open...ed-super-ship/

I like it!

On Friday, August 3, 2012 2:04:26 AM UTC-6, Magnus Johansson wrote:
http://windward-performance.com/open...ed-super-ship/



I like it!

OK, I think I'll buy a lottery ticket.

However...while super ships are neat, what we really need is 400 affordable 2-seat trainers.

OK, I think I'll buy a lottery ticket.



However...while super ships are neat, what we really need is 400 affordable 2-seat trainers.

Something like this?
http://windward-performance.com/twin...nce-sailplane/

On Aug 3, 7:31*am, wrote:
OK, I think I'll buy a lottery ticket.

However...while super ships are neat, what we really need is 400 affordable 2-seat trainers.

Something like this?http://windward-performance.com/twin...nce-sailplane/

That's a pretty neat looking two-seater, but at the price points
Windward has typically been working to, I rather doubt it will fall
within the bounds of "affordable." Also, it has a lot of features that
make it somewhat inappropriate for the ab-initio audience that Bill
needs trainers for.

Here's what I would propose for an affordable two-seat trainer:

http://www.hpaircraft.com/two-seater/cover_shot-1.jpg

http://www.hpaircraft.com/two-seater...y_2_public.pdf

More info available as the situation develops.

Thanks, Bob K.

On Friday, August 3, 2012 8:57:41 AM UTC-6, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Aug 3, 7:31*am, wrote:

OK, I think I'll buy a lottery ticket.



However...while super ships are neat, what we really need is 400 affordable 2-seat trainers.



Something like this?http://windward-performance.com/twin...nce-sailplane/



That's a pretty neat looking two-seater, but at the price points

Windward has typically been working to, I rather doubt it will fall

within the bounds of "affordable." Also, it has a lot of features that

make it somewhat inappropriate for the ab-initio audience that Bill

needs trainers for.



Here's what I would propose for an affordable two-seat trainer:



http://www.hpaircraft.com/two-seater/cover_shot-1.jpg



http://www.hpaircraft.com/two-seater...y_2_public.pdf



More info available as the situation develops.



Thanks, Bob K.

As any airplane instructor can tell you, a trainer with side-by-side seating has a lot of advantages since the student can see the instructors hand gestures and hear the instructor better.

Some will worry about students transitioning from side-by-side to center line seating but way back when we flew the Pratt-Read's, no one had a problem with the transition.

One real consideration is everyone has to remember to add ballast to replace the instructor's weight when he steps out to solo the student.

Bill D

On Aug 3, 7:57*am, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Aug 3, 7:31*am, wrote:

OK, I think I'll buy a lottery ticket.

However...while super ships are neat, what we really need is 400 affordable 2-seat trainers.

Something like this?http://windward-performance.com/twin...nce-sailplane/

That's a pretty neat looking two-seater, but at the price points
Windward has typically been working to, I rather doubt it will fall
within the bounds of "affordable." Also, it has a lot of features that
make it somewhat inappropriate for the ab-initio audience that Bill
needs trainers for.

Here's what I would propose for an affordable two-seat trainer:

http://www.hpaircraft.com/two-seater/cover_shot-1.jpg

http://www.hpaircraft.com/two-seater...y_2_public.pdf

More info available as the situation develops.

Thanks, Bob K.

Hi Bob:

Looks very nice. The side by side configuration is much more conducive
to teaching than tandem, and for an acceptable performance trade-off.
However, I would recommend making it wider based upon experience in my
side by side which is a little wider than what you show in your
drawing. At least another 6 inches might be worth considering.

Best Regards,

Gary Osoba

On Friday, August 3, 2012 8:28:15 AM UTC-7, christine anderson wrote:

Looks very nice. The side by side configuration is much more conducive
to teaching than tandem, and for an acceptable performance trade-off.
However, I would recommend making it wider based upon experience in my
side by side which is a little wider than what you show in your
drawing. At least another 6 inches might be worth considering.

Best Regards,
Gary Osoba

And, move one seat back a few inches so those of us with wider shoulders will have room to work. When can I put in my order? 8^)

Marc

On Friday, August 3, 2012 9:57:41 AM UTC-5, Bob Kuykendall wrote:
On Aug 3, 7:31*am, wrote: OK, I think I'll buy a lottery ticket. However...while super ships are neat, what we really need is 400 affordable 2-seat trainers. Something like this?http://windward-performance.com/twin...nce-sailplane/ That's a pretty neat looking two-seater, but at the price points Windward has typically been working to, I rather doubt it will fall within the bounds of "affordable." Also, it has a lot of features that make it somewhat inappropriate for the ab-initio audience that Bill needs trainers for. Here's what I would propose for an affordable two-seat trainer: http://www.hpaircraft.com/two-seater/cover_shot-1.jpg http://www.hpaircraft.com/two-seater...y_2_public.pdf More info available as the situation develops. Thanks, Bob K.

how affordable is affordable? type certified or kit built? going to be opening an engineering office in Wichita???

On Aug 3, 8:48*am, Tony wrote:

how affordable is affordable?

It's designed to hit $100,000 in 2010 dollars. That includes
convertible gear (nose roller and tail dragger), basic instruments,
removable nose and tail ballast, and open trailer.

type certified or kit built?

Type certificated and built in series production. An experimental
glider of this size and shape would be economically and socially
unviable. This is a workhorse designed for operationality and
transposition rate, and engineered for ease of repair using common
composite materials.

There is also the ethical concern of carrying people who have not
necessarily made an informed decision to ride in a non-type-
certificated aircraft. I think that they deserve an aircraft that has
been tested to a higher standard than the typical kit aircraft.

going to be opening an engineering office in Wichita???

I hadn't thought of that. Didn't they used to make airplanes there?

Thanks, Bob K.

On Friday, August 3, 2012 2:04:26 AM UTC-6, Magnus Johansson wrote:
http://windward-performance.com/open...ed-super-ship/



I like it!

Neat design.

However, I suspect a larger tail volume will be required for winch launch. Winch launch will be a necessity to keep training costs reasonable as tow plane operating costs continue to increase. The ASK-21 has superlative winch behavior partly because of its large horizontal tail.