Helicopter accident

Now that's really bad news... about a month ago, I complained to the Swiss
FOCA (the local FAA) because a helicopter landed in our neighbour's
backyard, and I was sure that he hadn't a permit. Furthermore the maneuver
looked very dangerous because there were tall trees very close nearby, and I
thought this was irresponsible and maybe illegal (after all, I didn't want a
helicopter crash on my house, which is about 30 meters away).

The FOCA thanked me for the information. The helicopter did in fact have a
permit, but for the wrong town. Anyway, they didn't do anything.

Yesterday the helicopter crashed in a similar situation (it somehow touched
a cable or power line) and the pilot's life is in danger.

I now feel bad because I think I could have done more to avoid that... I
mean, I already saw a dangerous situation, and I complained via email. What
I got was a "thank you, not doing anything" reply.

OK, that's not a psychology newsgroup, but I had do tell someone what I feel
about that...

-Manuel
PPL(A) SEP




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Hi Manuel,

you are not the pilots nor the FOCA nor the helicopter companys nanny!

You have done everything you could do. I am impressed that you wrote an
email to the FOCA - no one can tell that there would have been a more
stringent reaction from their side if you had written a letter via snail
mail.

Also, the pilot is fully responsible for what he's doing - and as a
(C)HPL, he should be aware of the dangers of power lines, trees etc. If
you're looking for someone to blame - it's him. Sad but true.

Let's hope the best that he recovers from that sh**

Regards,
Peter

"Manuel" wrote in message
...
Now that's really bad news... about a month ago, I complained to the Swiss
FOCA (the local FAA) because a helicopter landed in our neighbour's
backyard, and I was sure that he hadn't a permit.
What kind of permit do you need? In the US you might risk the land owner
complaining about tresspass, but I don't believe individual towns, counties,
cities, states, etc regulate landing. When I was ballooning, we would
always ask the land owner if it would be OK to land in their yard if they
had run out to see what was going on. Nobody every denied access.

In article br9Qb.107885$nt4.402694@attbi_s51, William W. Plummer
wrote:

In the US you might risk the land owner complaining about tresspass,
but I don't believe individual towns, counties,cities, states, etc
regulate landing.

Oh yes they do!
The city I live in banned private helicopter operations within the city
limits back in the 1980's after a rollover accident at a hotel.

Hi,

I don't know the situation in swiss, but german regulations don't permit
landings of motorized aircraft or helicopters without a special permittance.

There are - on the other hand - a few companies with a permanent permit
for doing so, but just a few.

iirc even the official services here don't have a regular permit, they
act on a rule handling landings and restart in emergencies.

Regards,
Peter

"William W. Plummer" wrote in message
news:br9Qb.107885$nt4.402694@attbi_s51...
|
| "Manuel" wrote in message
| ...
| Now that's really bad news... about a month ago, I complained to the
Swiss
| FOCA (the local FAA) because a helicopter landed in our neighbour's
| backyard, and I was sure that he hadn't a permit.
| What kind of permit do you need? In the US you might risk the land owner
| complaining about tresspass, but I don't believe individual towns,
counties,
| cities, states, etc regulate landing. When I was ballooning, we would
| always ask the land owner if it would be OK to land in their yard if they
| had run out to see what was going on. Nobody every denied access.

There was this on AVweb Jan. 5:

"Stamford, Conn., officials are reviewing the city ordinance that landed the
pilot of a medical helicopter in hot water last week. William Pope, 67, of
Andover, N.J., was ticketed by Stamford police after he landed his chopper
in the local hospital's parking lot. Pope was picking up a sick infant for
transport to an intensive care unit in Valhalla, N.Y. The flight was ordered
by a Stamford doctor, who apparently didn't know about the city's official
disdain for helicopters. "Unfortunately she was not aware that we have a
city ordinance that does not allow any helicopters to land anywhere in
Stamford," said Assistant Police Chief Richard Priolo. Police met the
helicopter when it landed and issued the ticket immediately without delaying
the flight, said Priolo. But it turns out that if the sick child had already
been on the helicopter and was being delivered to Stamford, the pilot might
have beaten the rap. The ordinance allows helicopters to land if the life of
someone aboard is in danger. "

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
...

"William W. Plummer" wrote in
message
news:br9Qb.107885$nt4.402694@attbi_s51...
|
| "Manuel" wrote in message
| ...
| Now that's really bad news... about a month ago, I complained to the
Swiss
| FOCA (the local FAA) because a helicopter landed in our neighbour's
| backyard, and I was sure that he hadn't a permit.
| What kind of permit do you need? In the US you might risk the land
owner
| complaining about tresspass, but I don't believe individual towns,
counties,
| cities, states, etc regulate landing. When I was ballooning, we would
| always ask the land owner if it would be OK to land in their yard if
they
| had run out to see what was going on. Nobody every denied access.

There was this on AVweb Jan. 5:

"Stamford, Conn., officials are reviewing the city ordinance that landed
the
pilot of a medical helicopter in hot water last week. William Pope, 67, of
Andover, N.J., was ticketed by Stamford police after he landed his chopper
in the local hospital's parking lot. Pope was picking up a sick infant for
transport to an intensive care unit in Valhalla, N.Y. The flight was
ordered
by a Stamford doctor, who apparently didn't know about the city's official
disdain for helicopters. "Unfortunately she was not aware that we have a
city ordinance that does not allow any helicopters to land anywhere in
Stamford," said Assistant Police Chief Richard Priolo. Police met the
helicopter when it landed and issued the ticket immediately without
delaying
the flight, said Priolo. But it turns out that if the sick child had
already
been on the helicopter and was being delivered to Stamford, the pilot
might
have beaten the rap. The ordinance allows helicopters to land if the life
of
someone aboard is in danger. "

Somebody in Stamford finally removed their head from their anal cavity and
rescinded the ticket.

Damn...it only took being scoffed at nationally.

Hi

I guess that's the proof that bureaucracy surely has its origins in
germany, but has spread successfully troughout the world?

Regards,
Peter

PS: Many thanks for the IFR diary!

Manuel wrote:

-Manuel
PPL(A) SEP

Hi!

I'm training for a PPL license and hope to have my first flying lesson
tomorrow (Bern Belp)

Hi Patrick,
good luck with your first flying lesson! I have trained out of Lugano-Agno.
Contact me privately if you like...

-Manuel


"Patrick Kormann" ha scritto nel messaggio
...
I'm training for a PPL license and hope to have my first flying lesson
tomorrow (Bern Belp)




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