Bush still a pilot?

I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure... Also, if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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There used to be a military written exam, which was pretty much oriented
toward civilian regulations and procedures. The feds figured that the
military pilots did not need to be quizzed on aerodynamics or
navigation...they get much better training than we do. With their military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble. John Kerry, on the
other hand, has been an active general aviation pilot and owns his own
Cessna twin.

Bob Gardner

"Chuck" wrote in message
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I was reading a "debate" in another NG about the ANG "yanking" President
Bush's pilots certification.

1) Does the military issue and have control over military certifications,
just as the FAA does civillians? I would assume so, but not sure... Also,
if
that is the case, how easy would it be for a military pilot to get FAA
certification?

2) Can they "yank" a cetificate? Does there have to be a violation or
failed
medical for this?

3) Do you know if Bush is still certified?

The other NG has me curious now...

Thanks...

Chuck



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With their military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

I recall Karl Rove telling a story about flying in a 172 with Bush some time
after the begiining of their work to together on his campaign for governor of
TX, so he was a civilian pilot at one point.

Unless he had is certificate revoked for some infraction, all he would need to
fly now would be a current Class 3 physical and a BFR.

And some way to evade the Secret Service.

Don
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On 24 Apr 2004 17:19:53 GMT, ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

I recall Karl Rove telling a story about flying in a 172 with Bush some time
after the begiining of their work to together on his campaign for governor of
TX, so he was a civilian pilot at one point.

Don, can you narrow down that story? In a newspaper or what?

all the best -- Dan Ford
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I recall Karl Rove telling a story about flying in a 172 with Bush some time
after the begiining of their work to together on his campaign for governor
of
TX, so he was a civilian pilot at one point.

Don, can you narrow down that story? In a newspaper or what?

It was an interview during the first campaign with Rove, in which he said he
had been frightened when the plane 'stalled' on takeoff. I don't know if he
meant a departure stall on takeoff or if he was talking about the engine, since
Rove is not a pilot.

It was one of the Sunday morning shows, but I can't remember which one. Rove
was using it as an example of how long the two had been friends and how they
had been through a scary experience together.

Which I could remember more, but that's about it.

Don

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On 24 Apr 2004 23:18:06 GMT, ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:

Which I could remember more, but that's about it.

Thanks. I'll Google it. Surely one of the anti-Bush sites has picked
up on it, unless this is the incident which has been spun into his
flight with the ghetto kids he was working with about 1972-73.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Don,

I'm not sure I'd trust Rove to tell me the sun came up in the east.
sigh

Probably covering up for the fact that Enron provided its various
corporate jets for Bush to use during his campaigns for governor and
in the presidential primaries.

But, otherwise, Bush shows as having a commercial, multi and
instrument, but he has never shown much interest in general aviation
flying. He does not have a current medical. Kind of strange that for
a guy who was supposedly a gung-ho pilot, he's never shown any
interest in flying Air Force One, yet the other pilot-president,
Eisenhower, did so.

I'm also curious as to why he has never produced his Form-5s to show
whether he did any flying when he was supposedly with the Alabama
Guard or was just AWOL while his countrymen were getting killed or
getting decorated for heroism in Viet Nam.

All the best,
Rick


ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote in message ...
With their military
Form 5 (as I recall) and the test results, they went to the FSDO and got a
civilian license. I doubt that GWB went to that trouble.

I recall Karl Rove telling a story about flying in a 172 with Bush some time
after the begiining of their work to together on his campaign for governor of
TX, so he was a civilian pilot at one point.

Unless he had is certificate revoked for some infraction, all he would need to
fly now would be a current Class 3 physical and a BFR.

And some way to evade the Secret Service.

Don

a guy who was supposedly a gung-ho pilot,

Well, as a pilot (gosh, did I ever think I'd get to write that?!) I
have to agree with you. It's hard to imagine right now. But recall
that just a few days ago we had a post from a guy who had given up
flying--just lost interest in it.

Two things could be going on he

One, going from an F-102A to a 172 must be a downer.

Two, Bush has demonstrated that he is very focused. I've known people
who work passionately at something for ten years or so, then suddenly
drop it and take up something entirely different. Been there, done
that, now on to something else! He was playing with politics when he
was in the Guard, and he got an early out to go to business school.

And of course there's always the third possibility: something bad
happened. This was Bush's wild-oats era; he was about 25 when he
stopped flying. Any number of possible scenarios come to mind.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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One, going from an F-102A to a 172 must be a downer.

Yeah, I've often wondered how weird it must feel for an ex-military pilot to
fly a Spam can. Sorta like transitioning from a Kawasaki racing bike back
to a scooter, I would think?

How 'bout it, Big John (or other military folks)? Is flying a lowly
Skyhawk worth bothering with, after flying at Mach 2 with your hair on fire?
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In a previous article, said:
One, going from an F-102A to a 172 must be a downer.

I took a cab to the airport in Ottawa once with a cab driver who claimed
to be a former F-14 pilot from the Shah of Iran's air force. Those of you
with long memories will remember when Iran had the third largest air force
in the world, and the cream of it was a huge fleet of F-14 Tomcats.
Anyway, I asked him why he isn't flying an airliner instead of a taxi, and
he scoffed that flying a commuter would be like driving a bus. I kept my
thoughts about the relative merits of bus drivers and taxi drivers to
myself.


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