Bad news for our flying club

The other flying club on our field has just been told by Avemco that they
won't insure Piper Lances and other large complex planes for flying clubs
any more. Since we've got a Lance as well, we're trying to get a
confirmation from Avemco. If true, this is a big blow.

I wonder if they'd insure a Cherokee 6?

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On Sat, 22 May 2004 02:44:35 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

The other flying club on our field has just been told by Avemco that they
won't insure Piper Lances and other large complex planes for flying clubs
any more. Since we've got a Lance as well, we're trying to get a
confirmation from Avemco. If true, this is a big blow.

I wonder if they'd insure a Cherokee 6?


I don't know the real reason, but a Cherokee 6 isn't complex, its High
Performance. Maybe that's the hot button.

Whatever it is, I don't agree with a blanket denial of coverage like
that. Aren't they in the Insurance Business?

z

In a previous article, zatatime said:
On Sat, 22 May 2004 02:44:35 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:
The other flying club on our field has just been told by Avemco that they
won't insure Piper Lances and other large complex planes for flying clubs
any more. Since we've got a Lance as well, we're trying to get a
confirmation from Avemco. If true, this is a big blow.
I don't know the real reason, but a Cherokee 6 isn't complex, its High
Performance. Maybe that's the hot button.

It might be the size and/or value, because the club that got told that
they can't insure their Lance any more has two Arrows and Avemco didn't
say anything about them. We've also got a Dakota, which is also HP.

One thing the club is going to ask Avemco if they'd insure us if we split
off the Lance as a separate membership category with restricted
membership. We currently require 350 hours total time plus a ten hour
checkout for the Lance - I just checked out in this winter.

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One thing the club is going to ask Avemco if they'd insure us if we split
off the Lance as a separate membership category with restricted
membership. We currently require 350 hours total time plus a ten hour
checkout for the Lance - I just checked out in this winter.

Why don't you just tell Avemco to get screwed?

We did -- and saved ourselves money in the bargain.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:IKArc.7472$JC5.708567@attbi_s54...

Why don't you just tell Avemco to get screwed?

We did -- and saved ourselves money in the bargain.




I always wanted to tell Avemco to get screwed but I never have the chance.
They are always 50% higher than everybody else. Always have been. They
wanted $1500 for my 182 this year. Ended up with Global again for $1000.

zatatime wrote in
:

...
Whatever it is, I don't agree with a blanket denial of coverage like
that. Aren't they in the Insurance Business?

z

Apparently not... I had my Champ insured with them and about 18 months ago
I got a letter saying that they would not insure it after the next renewal
date. Turns out they dropped the entire Canadian aviation market.
Rob


--

nope they are in the money making business, insurance just happens to be a
means to extract some money from the public. Paying money is not in their
language.


"zatatime" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 May 2004 02:44:35 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

The other flying club on our field has just been told by Avemco that they
won't insure Piper Lances and other large complex planes for flying clubs
any more. Since we've got a Lance as well, we're trying to get a
confirmation from Avemco. If true, this is a big blow.

I wonder if they'd insure a Cherokee 6?


I don't know the real reason, but a Cherokee 6 isn't complex, its High
Performance. Maybe that's the hot button.

Whatever it is, I don't agree with a blanket denial of coverage like
that. Aren't they in the Insurance Business?

z

On Sat, 22 May 2004 02:55:03 GMT, zatatime
wrote:

On Sat, 22 May 2004 02:44:35 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

The other flying club on our field has just been told by Avemco that they
won't insure Piper Lances and other large complex planes for flying clubs
any more. Since we've got a Lance as well, we're trying to get a
confirmation from Avemco. If true, this is a big blow.

I wonder if they'd insure a Cherokee 6?


I don't know the real reason, but a Cherokee 6 isn't complex, its High
Performance. Maybe that's the hot button.

Complex = constant speed prop and electric flaps. The 6 still use the
Johnson Bar flaps?


Whatever it is, I don't agree with a blanket denial of coverage like
that. Aren't they in the Insurance Business?

Speaking of insurance... A friend is looking at a Sirrus 22. The
insurance is higher than they quoted me for a G-III first year.
Neither was cheap, but still, the Sirrus was about 1/3 the insurance
for a brand new TBM-700 while the G-III was only a quarter.

My G-III is not flying yet so it's not an issue... yet.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com




z

In a previous article, Roger Halstead said:
I don't know the real reason, but a Cherokee 6 isn't complex, its High
Performance. Maybe that's the hot button.

Complex = constant speed prop and electric flaps. The 6 still use the
Johnson Bar flaps?

Not even close. Check FAR 61.31(e). Complex requires retractable gear
unless it's a seaplane. And nowhere does it specify that the flaps must
be electric.


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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message ...

Not even close. Check FAR 61.31(e). Complex requires retractable gear
unless it's a seaplane. And nowhere does it specify that the flaps must
be electric.


Yep, got all those. Neither the flaps or the gear have any electrical components
on my plane save the "green lights" on the gear.