pan pan pan

Has anyone here ever used the emergency call PAN PAN PAN in an
aircraft?

What about SECURITE (tay) SECURITE?


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Has anyone here ever used the emergency call PAN PAN PAN in an
aircraft?

Thankfully (knock on Royalite) I've never heard "Mayday!" or "Pan pan pan"
on the radio.

I *have* heard ATC calling for a missing plane, though, and I have been
asked by ATC to listen for an ELT. Also (back when we were all flying
around listening to 121.5 all the time) I've reported an ELT going off, way
out in the desert scrub near the Grand Canyon.

Spooky stuff.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Has anyone here ever used the emergency call PAN PAN PAN in an
aircraft?


Never used it, but I have heard it used, once, in Australia.

I actually did use it once when flying over Oregon a few years ago I spotted
a wildfire spreading out in a inhabited area.

Little note on the origins of PAN PAN PAN and MAY DAY.
Both terms come from the French Language (yes, that's true).

1) PAN comes from the French PANNE, which means "failure", "problem"
2) MAY DAY comes from the French "M'aider", thta you actually pronounce as
Mayday and which means "Help Me"

Ciao

Andrea
Milan, ITALY


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Has anyone here ever used the emergency call PAN PAN PAN in an
aircraft?

What about SECURITE (tay) SECURITE?


all the best -- Dan Ford
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Andrea da lontano wrote:

I actually did use it once when flying over Oregon a few years ago I spotted
a wildfire spreading out in a inhabited area.

Little note on the origins of PAN PAN PAN and MAY DAY.
Both terms come from the French Language (yes, that's true).

1) PAN comes from the French PANNE, which means "failure", "problem"
2) MAY DAY comes from the French "M'aider", thta you actually pronounce as
Mayday and which means "Help Me"

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help me."

Sorry Natalie to insist, but this is absolutely true.
I live in Paris since 1989 and I can assure you this makes sense in French
language.
"Mayday" is definitely the Americanized spelling of "m'aidez" or "m'aider".
(French for "help me!").
I am sure that a quick Google will confirm this.

Bonne Journée!
;-))

Andrea




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Andrea da lontano wrote:

I actually did use it once when flying over Oregon a few years ago I
spotted
a wildfire spreading out in a inhabited area.

Little note on the origins of PAN PAN PAN and MAY DAY.
Both terms come from the French Language (yes, that's true).

1) PAN comes from the French PANNE, which means "failure", "problem"
2) MAY DAY comes from the French "M'aider", thta you actually pronounce
as
Mayday and which means "Help Me"

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help
me."

"Andrea da lontano" wrote in message
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Sorry Natalie to insist, but this is absolutely true.
I live in Paris since 1989 and I can assure you this makes sense in French
language.
"Mayday" is definitely the Americanized spelling of "m'aidez" or
"m'aider".
(French for "help me!").
I am sure that a quick Google will confirm this.

Bonne Journée!
;-))

Andrea

Its short for m'aidez vous? Will you help me?

Andrea da lontano wrote:

Sorry Natalie to insist, but this is absolutely true.
I live in Paris since 1989 and I can assure you this makes sense in French
language.
"Mayday" is definitely the Americanized spelling of "m'aidez" or "m'aider".
(French for "help me!").
I am sure that a quick Google will confirm this.

Bonne Journée!
;-))

Andrea

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Andrea da lontano wrote:

I actually did use it once when flying over Oregon a few years ago I
spotted
a wildfire spreading out in a inhabited area.

Little note on the origins of PAN PAN PAN and MAY DAY.
Both terms come from the French Language (yes, that's true).

1) PAN comes from the French PANNE, which means "failure", "problem"
2) MAY DAY comes from the French "M'aider", thta you actually pronounce
as
Mayday and which means "Help Me"

That can't be true about MAY DAY. That would be horrible French, and it
doesn't make much sense at all. Aidez-moi (or aides-moi) would be "Help
me."


"Help me" is imperative in both English and French. In French, it would be
written as "aidez-moi" m'aidez would mean help (me) in the context of a larger
sentence, but it isn't what you would say in lieu of just "Help me!" A
french grammar book of your choice can confirm this for you.

"Natalie" wrote in message
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"Help me" is imperative in both English and French. In French, it would be
written as "aidez-moi" m'aidez would mean help (me) in the context of a
larger
sentence, but it isn't what you would say in lieu of just "Help me!" A
french grammar book of your choice can confirm this for you.

What's your point?

It's well established what the origin of the call "mayday" is. Your
"argument" that it's poor grammar might be valid, except that since the word
was extracted from a larger sentence, even the grammar complaint really has
no basis. Your original claim that Andrea's description of the origin of
"mayday" was false is itself absolutely wrong regardless of what you think
about the grammar.

Pete

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:42:21 -0400, Natalie wrote:

"Help me" is imperative in both English and French. In French, it would be
written as "aidez-moi" m'aidez would mean help (me) in the context of a larger
sentence, but it isn't what you would say in lieu of just "Help me!" A
french grammar book of your choice can confirm this for you.

Nevertheless, "mayday" comes from the French, as do the other two
international marine distress calls, pan-pan and securite.

My Webster's Collegiate says the origin is "m'aider" and dates the
call to 1927.

Perhaps they were standardized by a British commission with an
imperfect knowledge of French?

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