Non Standard ATC Phraseology

Hi pilots, I am new to the group and wanted to see if you guys hear
Non-standard ATC phraseology around places where you fly.
Our tower at Chander, AZ usually request us to report 2 mile base when
entering a traffic pattern. I thought the standard pattern entry was 45 to
downwind or final. If you have any non-standard phraseology or clearance,
can you please let the group know?

In Soo Hwang

In Soo wrote:
Hi pilots, I am new to the group and wanted to see if you guys hear
Non-standard ATC phraseology around places where you fly.
Our tower at Chander, AZ usually request us to report 2 mile base when
entering a traffic pattern. I thought the standard pattern entry was 45 to
downwind or final. If you have any non-standard phraseology or clearance,
can you please let the group know?

There is no standard entry at a towered airport. The tower will tell
you how to enter the pattern. If he asks for a report that is usually
because he doesn't have radar.

From what I have assumed; At a towered airport, the controllers are watching
out for you, so there doesn't have to be any pattern. The reason we normally
fly a pattern is so that everyone knows where to look to be safe. I've been
to a lot of different towered airports that have given me straight in or
single turn to final procedures. Of course I normally fly during low volume
times.
"Newps" wrote in message
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In Soo wrote:
Hi pilots, I am new to the group and wanted to see if you guys hear
Non-standard ATC phraseology around places where you fly.
Our tower at Chander, AZ usually request us to report 2 mile base when
entering a traffic pattern. I thought the standard pattern entry was 45
to
downwind or final. If you have any non-standard phraseology or
clearance,
can you please let the group know?

There is no standard entry at a towered airport. The tower will tell
you how to enter the pattern. If he asks for a report that is usually
because he doesn't have radar.




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There is still a pattern and it is the same as every airport, with a few odd
exceptions for various reasons... But specifically it is the 'entry' that
the controllers will call out that will be different from your standard non
towered 45 degree entry. (And even that is not mandated, but highly
suggested.)

PJ

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"Slick" wrote in message ...
From what I have assumed; At a towered airport, the controllers are
watching
out for you, so there doesn't have to be any pattern. The reason we
normally
fly a pattern is so that everyone knows where to look to be safe. I've
been
to a lot of different towered airports that have given me straight in or
single turn to final procedures. Of course I normally fly during low
volume
times.
"Newps" wrote in message
...


In Soo wrote:
Hi pilots, I am new to the group and wanted to see if you guys hear
Non-standard ATC phraseology around places where you fly.
Our tower at Chander, AZ usually request us to report 2 mile base when
entering a traffic pattern. I thought the standard pattern entry was
45
to
downwind or final. If you have any non-standard phraseology or
clearance,
can you please let the group know?

There is no standard entry at a towered airport. The tower will tell
you how to enter the pattern. If he asks for a report that is usually
because he doesn't have radar.




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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:46:18 -0500, "Slick" wrote:

From what I have assumed; At a towered airport, the controllers are watching
out for you,

Probably not meant that way, but that's a potentially dangerous
thought. At towered airports, ATC is controlling the sequencing of
traffic to avoid airplane having unfriendly meetings on the runway.

But they are not "watching out for you." You are PIC. =You= are
watching out for you. There has been more than one accident and many
near ones caused by a pilot thinking that vigilance was not necessary
because of those extra eyes. That was brought home to me one day when
tower tried to turn me into the path on an incoming CitationJet.


Mark Kolber
APA/Denver, Colorado
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Newps wrote in message ...

If he asks for a report that is usually
because he doesn't have radar.

KCHD almost always asks for a 2 mile report on any leg except the
downwind entry (where they tell you to report turning downwind). They
do have a D-Brite radar display. I've asked tower personnel about it
and they're just trying to make sure they don't forget you. Slow
training traffic often reports in from 8 miles out and it can be
awhile before they actually enter the pattern environment.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

John Galban wrote:

Newps wrote in message ...

If he asks for a report that is usually
because he doesn't have radar.


KCHD almost always asks for a 2 mile report on any leg except the
downwind entry (where they tell you to report turning downwind). They
do have a D-Brite radar display. I've asked tower personnel about it
and they're just trying to make sure they don't forget you. Slow
training traffic often reports in from 8 miles out and it can be
awhile before they actually enter the pattern environment.

Yes, that way you can go back to the card game and wait for his call.

On 19 Nov 2004 13:31:07 -0800, (John Galban)
wrote:

KCHD almost always asks for a 2 mile report on any leg except the
downwind entry (where they tell you to report turning downwind).

Okay, that brings up a question that bugs me. KPSM says: "Report left
base." Now, I could go onto that left base five miles out, and it
would take me five minutes to reach the extended centerline.

Where does KPSM want me to report? He knows that I will be at 1,000
AGL, but that's all. My own feeling is that I should report at a
45-degree angle, or one mile from the extended centerline if I am
flying a one-mile pattern, two miles if a two-mile pattern. Is that
about right?

all the best -- Dan Ford
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Okay, that brings up a question that bugs me. KPSM says: "Report left
base." Now, I could go onto that left base five miles out, and it
would take me five minutes to reach the extended centerline.


Prescott (KPRC) did this to me last week. I was easily five miles out when
the tower told me to enter left base for RWY 21L but they didn't say how far
out to call it. They gave me a traffic advisory and when I said I had the
traffic in sight, they just told me to follow that traffic to the runway.


Where does KPSM want me to report? He knows that I will be at 1,000
AGL, but that's all. My own feeling is that I should report at a
45-degree angle, or one mile from the extended centerline if I am
flying a one-mile pattern, two miles if a two-mile pattern. Is that
about right?

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Would they just want you to report at the same location as if you had turned
downwind to base?

This strikes me as being very close in for a base entry!!

Dunno about John Galiban, but I can't remember Chandler ever giving me a
base entry without requesting that I report at "X miles." They have,
however, given me a clearance to land before I've reached the point where
they wanted me to report (eg, I'm cleared to land at 3.5 miles out when they
wanted me to call a 2 mile base...)

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL

"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
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"Cub Driver" wrote in message
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Okay, that brings up a question that bugs me. KPSM says: "Report left
base." Now, I could go onto that left base five miles out, and it
would take me five minutes to reach the extended centerline.


Prescott (KPRC) did this to me last week. I was easily five miles out
when
the tower told me to enter left base for RWY 21L but they didn't say how
far
out to call it. They gave me a traffic advisory and when I said I had the
traffic in sight, they just told me to follow that traffic to the runway.


Where does KPSM want me to report? He knows that I will be at 1,000
AGL, but that's all. My own feeling is that I should report at a
45-degree angle, or one mile from the extended centerline if I am
flying a one-mile pattern, two miles if a two-mile pattern. Is that
about right?

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Would they just want you to report at the same location as if you had
turned
downwind to base?

This strikes me as being very close in for a base entry!!

Dunno about John Galiban, but I can't remember Chandler ever giving me a
base entry without requesting that I report at "X miles." They have,
however, given me a clearance to land before I've reached the point where
they wanted me to report (eg, I'm cleared to land at 3.5 miles out when
they
wanted me to call a 2 mile base...)

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL



Same as Falcon, usually request a 2 mile report but cleared to land long
before reaching that reporting point

Rob AZ