GUMPS/Instrument approaches

Hey, all. Haven't shot instrument approaches in a complex aircraft yet,
and I'm getting ready to so I'm curious:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check? I'm guessing yes,
but I'm curious as to what others do. Finishing up my complex endorsement
this afternoon, but haven't done any approaches in that plane yet.

-c

gatt ) wrote:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check?

Absolutely not.

Part of going missed is practicing all those "going missed" items:
mixture forward, prop forward, throttle forward, gear up, flaps up, cowl
flaps open, and (in my case) prop then back to 2500 rpms.

If I skipped the GUMPS, I wouldn't be accurately practicing the missed
approach configuration items properly. Additionally, the aircraft
wouldn't react the same way as if the gear were down, etc.

--
Peter

Peter R. ) wrote:

gatt ) wrote:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check?

Absolutely not.

I should clarify because I only read "amend/ignore." I absolutely
*complete* the GUMPS check during all approaches, despite knowing I am
going missed during a practice approach.

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message

I should clarify because I only read "amend/ignore." I absolutely
*complete* the GUMPS check during all approaches, despite knowing I am
going missed during a practice approach.

Cool. Thanks, Peter!

-c

"gatt" wrote in message
...

Hey, all. Haven't shot instrument approaches in a complex aircraft
yet,
and I'm getting ready to so I'm curious:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to
be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check? I'm guessing
yes,
but I'm curious as to what others do. Finishing up my complex
endorsement
this afternoon, but haven't done any approaches in that plane yet.

No. I wouldn't do that, and here's why. Your practice approaches should
include everything you would usually do in the airplane, and that
includes all checklist procedures and cockpit housekeeping. You want the
workload to be the same as it would be in the real situation. That's the
way it will be on the real missed approach and that's the way you want
to practice it.
Keep in mind these are MY procedures. Other pilots might differ in their
"approach" to this scenario. :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/CFI Retired
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"Dudley Henriques" wrote in message
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No. I wouldn't do that, and here's why. Your practice approaches should
include everything you would usually do in the airplane, and that
includes all checklist procedures and cockpit housekeeping. You want the
workload to be the same as it would be in the real situation.

That's what I thought. I think I'm going to hold off on the instrument
approaches in that airplane until I'm not so green in the airplane to avoid
becoming a statistic.

-gatt

gatt ) wrote:

That's what I thought. I think I'm going to hold off on the instrument
approaches in that airplane until I'm not so green in the airplane to avoid
becoming a statistic.

What kind of aircraft is it?

--
Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message

That's what I thought. I think I'm going to hold off on the instrument
approaches in that airplane until I'm not so green in the airplane to
avoid
becoming a statistic.

What kind of aircraft is it?

Piper Arrow II. I've only logged 10.5 hours in it, so I'm not going to
shoot approaches in it until I've got more time in the plane.

-c

Many instructors advise instrument students to hang the gear out when the
glideslope is about a dot above center..the added drag starts you down the
hill, and it's awfully hard to forget the gear if you follow this advice.

Bob Gardner

"gatt" wrote in message
...

Hey, all. Haven't shot instrument approaches in a complex aircraft yet,
and I'm getting ready to so I'm curious:

When you're doing a practice approach in which you know it's going to be
missed, do you complete/amend/ignore the GUMPS check? I'm guessing yes,
but I'm curious as to what others do. Finishing up my complex
endorsement
this afternoon, but haven't done any approaches in that plane yet.

-c

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 12:40:09 -0800, "Bob Gardner"
wrote:

Many instructors advise instrument students to hang the gear out when the
glideslope is about a dot above center..the added drag starts you down the
hill, and it's awfully hard to forget the gear if you follow this advice.

Bob Gardner


This his how I have always done it, but with a little variation. When
I intercept the glideslope, Usually at the FAF, I then lower the gear.
The only time that I did not do this, was when I had an engine failure
on a twin shooting the approach in IMC. I just kept saying to myself
as I was descending, was "DONT FORGET THE GEAR, ...." Once I broke
out and I knew I had the runway made, the gear came down.

Scott D

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