the Pinckneyville Gathering of the ILK

The 401st gathering of the Ilk took place at Pinckneyville
this weekend with thousands in attendence

Oh, wait, wrong website

Those of the Ilk who made it through or around the bad weather
(driving or flying) did meet and gather at Pinckneyville. Tigger
and his family arrived before lunch on Saturday. As I walked
across the ramp, I couldn't help but comment "wow, what beautiful
old airplanes" shortly followed by "wow, what decrepit old
reprobabe pilots".

Oyster owned, that would be him. Rich, as for what Oyster was
doing in Iowa, let's not discuss that in a "family" newsgroup.
Heh, heh. Everyone from points north drove or flew commercial --
just no getting through.

I wish I'd had the chance to talk to the pilot of the other
Stinson -- what a work of art. Other notable planes were the
beautiful acrosport, the RV-4 (that must be a show plane -- it
looks like it's glass), and the Decathalon which provided a
pleasant demo on Saturday. Dan Luke, it was nice to meet you,
thanks for showing me the Magic Weather Machine, and I'm sorry
we didn't get up in Tigger.

Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver), Unka Bob and
his Serendipitous horse, Chuck Slusarc&#@k, and Dave Tate's
plane. OK, Dave well we missed you too. Bourbon, out of annual
is no durned excuse but at least now we know why you're so crabby
lately. I believe your doctor should prescribe a course of
RVotherapy, good for what ails ya.

Thanks to Mary for as usual, fantastic good food produced under
minimalist conditions and to John and Mary for hosting another
Gathering of the Ilk. Thanks, Nauga for hauling our big tent
for us.

Good to see everyone,
Sydney

Snowbird wrote:

"wow, what decrepit old reprobabe pilots".

The guys were pretty disreputable too :-)

It was a great time, good to see old friends
and make new ones.

Dave 'Rain Man' Hyde

Snowbird wrote:
SNIP


Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver),


Pardon my ignorance.. but waiver for WHAT?
Dave

Dave S wrote in message ink.net...
Snowbird wrote:
SNIP

Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver),

Pardon my ignorance.. but waiver for WHAT?

Waiver to fly his experimental, amateur built aircraft outside
its designated test flight area during its 40 hr test flight
period

S

Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Dave

Snowbird wrote:

Dave S wrote in message ink.net...

Snowbird wrote:
SNIP


Notable by their absence were Nauga's RV-4 (a loud raspberry
to St Louis FSDO for not granting him a waiver),


Pardon my ignorance.. but waiver for WHAT?


Waiver to fly his experimental, amateur built aircraft outside
its designated test flight area during its 40 hr test flight
period

S

Dave S wrote in message ink.net...
Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

As I understand it, they are common at some FSDOs. For a
well-proven design which is progressing well in its flight
testing, it doesn't seem like a big issue to let the plane
fly over some farmland to visit another mechanic or qualified
pilot or some such.

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Not being Dave, I can't comment on the constraints of his
personal situation.

I will, however, congratulate you on having some combination
of 1) ample vacation time 2) understanding family and 3)
low-pressure job, which would not only allow you to take
your own advice, but keeps you from being able to see that
perhaps "one size doesn't fit all" here.

Cheers,
Sydney

On 24 May 2004 13:42:35 -0700,
(Snowbird) wrote:

Dave S wrote in message ink.net...
Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

As I understand it, they are common at some FSDOs. For a
well-proven design which is progressing well in its flight
testing, it doesn't seem like a big issue to let the plane
fly over some farmland to visit another mechanic or qualified
pilot or some such.

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Not being Dave, I can't comment on the constraints of his
personal situation.

I will, however, congratulate you on having some combination
of 1) ample vacation time 2) understanding family and 3)
low-pressure job, which would not only allow you to take
your own advice, but keeps you from being able to see that
perhaps "one size doesn't fit all" here.

Cheers,
Sydney

You REALLY haven't changed, have you Snowbird... Still the
smart assed know-it-all...

John

Dave S wrote:

Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?

The type of waiver I requested, a ferry permit for
maintenance, is common. I don't know how common
it is to use this to get a one-time extension of a flight test
area, but I know it's been done and was what my DAR recomended.
Is it appropriate? Probably not for the sole purpose of
attending a fly-in, but there was an A&P there I wanted to
look at it and help troubleshoot some minor things.
It's ~50 miles outside of my flight test area. I asked
the local FSDO, and after the duty guy did some research
I got a cordial denial *with justification*. Not the
answer I hoped for, but one I could live with all the
same. It wasn't critical, and they did what they could to
help, so I didn't push it. After all, I may need *real*
help in the future, and they've been helpful in the past.

Any raspberry anyone heard at PJY over the issue did not come
from me.

I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!

Hehe. You're funny. If only it was that simple.

Dave 'loadin' up the truck to move to Bever-lee' Hyde

On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:44:19 GMT, "nauga" wrote:

ave S wrote:
:
: Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?
:
:The type of waiver I requested, a ferry permit for
:maintenance, is common. I don't know how common
:it is to use this to get a one-time extension of a flight test
:area, but I know it's been done and was what my DAR recomended.
:Is it appropriate? Probably not for the sole purpose of
:attending a fly-in, but there was an A&P there I wanted to
:look at it and help troubleshoot some minor things.
:It's ~50 miles outside of my flight test area. I asked
:the local FSDO, and after the duty guy did some research
:I got a cordial denial *with justification*. Not the
:answer I hoped for, but one I could live with all the
:same. It wasn't critical, and they did what they could to
:help, so I didn't push it. After all, I may need *real*
:help in the future, and they've been helpful in the past.
:
:Any raspberry anyone heard at PJY over the issue did not come
:from me.

You coulda asked for PJY to be part of your test area when you got the
sign off. It's worked, depending on the DAR.

: I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!
:
:Hehe. You're funny. If only it was that simple.
:
ave 'loadin' up the truck to move to Bever-lee' Hyde

Remember, the zip code you want is 92660-92663

Thanks for the feedback... gives me something to think about when the
velocity gets airborne.

And, yea, I must admit my job situation is a little unique (but in
deference to others, NOT low pressure). I work as an ICU nurse in a
day-to-day setting, filling in holes in the nursing shortage. Gives lots
of freedom of scheduling, but the manner in which I work gives me no
vacation benefits.. If I take the time off, I have to absorb it. So,
taking a week off for OSH or Xmas means I'm making it up in the weeks
before or after.

Good luck getting the 40 flown off and enjoy your aircraft. At least
your FLYING.. right now I'm still itching from fiberglass construction.

Dave

nauga wrote:

Dave S wrote:


Is such a waiver 1) common? 2) appropriate?


The type of waiver I requested, a ferry permit for
maintenance, is common. I don't know how common
it is to use this to get a one-time extension of a flight test
area, but I know it's been done and was what my DAR recomended.
Is it appropriate? Probably not for the sole purpose of
attending a fly-in, but there was an A&P there I wanted to
look at it and help troubleshoot some minor things.
It's ~50 miles outside of my flight test area. I asked
the local FSDO, and after the duty guy did some research
I got a cordial denial *with justification*. Not the
answer I hoped for, but one I could live with all the
same. It wasn't critical, and they did what they could to
help, so I didn't push it. After all, I may need *real*
help in the future, and they've been helpful in the past.

Any raspberry anyone heard at PJY over the issue did not come
from me.


I mean.. take a week of vacation and go burn some gas!!


Hehe. You're funny. If only it was that simple.

Dave 'loadin' up the truck to move to Bever-lee' Hyde