Looking for new glider

I've sold my old glider and now I'm in the market for a new one. This time
I'm going the single-place route.

There seems to be a sweet spot in the price/performance curve when looking
at the older open class gliders like the Open Cirrus, Jantar 2 (A or B), LAK
12 etc... I haven't ruled out 15 meter gliders but I'm never going to
compete in anything more than Sports Class. I just want the performance to
get home from the high country in Colorado.

Any thoughts?

Bill Daniels

Bill Daniels wrote:
I've sold my old glider and now I'm in the market for a new one. This time
I'm going the single-place route.

There seems to be a sweet spot in the price/performance curve when looking
at the older open class gliders like the Open Cirrus, Jantar 2 (A or B), LAK
12 etc... I haven't ruled out 15 meter gliders but I'm never going to
compete in anything more than Sports Class. I just want the performance to
get home from the high country in Colorado.

Any thoughts?

Bill Daniels

A one man rigging kit. No seriously. When I was looking earlier this
year my list included these, but the weight of the wings was a big
deterrent (I suspect a Lark is no lightweight though).
A nice trailer, especially if you're getting a big ship.
Mosquitoes, Mini Nimbi, and ASW-19s are in the same price range, they
don't have those long legs though. I got a Mosquito.
There's a discussion along these line on www.GliderForum.com

Cheers,
Shawn

I bought an Open Cirrus earlier this year and am very happy with it.

Good points: extremely well-mannered to fly, easy to land, good rate of roll
for 18m (nearly), excellent performance provided you fly slowly enough, good
scratcher and long legs for final glide.

Not so good points (no real bad points): seating is quite upright but with
legs horizontal (fine once you get used to it but a little odd for me to
start with), not easily adjustable for very tall pilots (I'm near the top
limit at 6' 1"), airbrake Hotelier connections are hidden by spar (mine has
Wederkind safeties so this is no problem), early models (including mine)
can't take water, quite heavy wings.

I've dealt with the rigging issue by making a simple wing root dolly for
maneouvring the wing around, and use two trestles to take the weight. No-one
has to take any weight for more than a minute, usually less. Result - all
those who've helped me rig say it's dead easy and very little effort.
Aluminium step ladders make really good trestles.

If you fit in, and like making steady progress without much turning to
thermal, an Open Cirrus would be well worth considering.

"Shawn Curry" wrote in message
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Bill Daniels wrote:
I've sold my old glider and now I'm in the market for a new one. This
time
I'm going the single-place route.

There seems to be a sweet spot in the price/performance curve when
looking
at the older open class gliders like the Open Cirrus, Jantar 2 (A or B),
LAK
12 etc... I haven't ruled out 15 meter gliders but I'm never going to
compete in anything more than Sports Class. I just want the performance
to
get home from the high country in Colorado.

Any thoughts?

Bill Daniels

A one man rigging kit. No seriously. When I was looking earlier this
year my list included these, but the weight of the wings was a big
deterrent (I suspect a Lark is no lightweight though).
A nice trailer, especially if you're getting a big ship.
Mosquitoes, Mini Nimbi, and ASW-19s are in the same price range, they
don't have those long legs though. I got a Mosquito.
There's a discussion along these line on www.GliderForum.com

Cheers,
Shawn

How about Nimbus 2 or ASW17? A lot of glider for the money.Just watch out for a
hernia when trying to rig those 20m one piece wings though

"OscarCVox" wrote in message
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How about Nimbus 2 or ASW17? A lot of glider for the money.Just watch out
for a
hernia when trying to rig those 20m one piece wings though

I guess it only depends on how heavy the wing tips are since almost all of
these gliders come with one-man rigging systems - it shouldn't ever be
necessary to lift the roots.

The 4-section wing of the Jartar 2 is an attractive feature though.

Bill Daniels

Apis? 13 or 15 meter.. flapped.. and advertised at 36-38/1

BT

"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
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I've sold my old glider and now I'm in the market for a new one. This
time
I'm going the single-place route.

There seems to be a sweet spot in the price/performance curve when looking
at the older open class gliders like the Open Cirrus, Jantar 2 (A or B),
LAK
12 etc... I haven't ruled out 15 meter gliders but I'm never going to
compete in anything more than Sports Class. I just want the performance
to
get home from the high country in Colorado.

Any thoughts?

Bill Daniels

Very nice Discus for sale. See:
http://mysite.verizon.net/vze27w6r/
Unquestionable performance, ease of handling and assembly, and resale.
Best Regards, Dave


"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
...
I've sold my old glider and now I'm in the market for a new one. This
time
I'm going the single-place route.

There seems to be a sweet spot in the price/performance curve when looking
at the older open class gliders like the Open Cirrus, Jantar 2 (A or B),
LAK
12 etc... I haven't ruled out 15 meter gliders but I'm never going to
compete in anything more than Sports Class. I just want the performance
to
get home from the high country in Colorado.

Any thoughts?
Bill Daniels

In article ,
(Steve B) writes:

The Apis is a clean looking ship from the pictures that I have seen. Is it
considered and ultralight?
No, not in the US. It does meet some European countries UL regulations.
The empty weight of my kit Apis 13 was 300 lbs before I added batteries, radio
etc.

How does an ultra light design compare to a German 15 meter design?
I can't speak for the other "light gliders" but the Apis uses the same high
quality fabrics, resins, fillers and foams that the German manufactures use.
This is a very important point for quality control and reparability.

I have been quite curious about the Apis as a motorglider (no tow plane here
on this Island "Kona")
I'll bet it will fit your needs without emptying your wallet.

Robert Mudd
Apis Sailplanes Inc.
www.apisgliders.com