First Glider LS4

Thank you again for your advise. Any more thoughts
on the LS4? Any concerns with the age? What should
I pay for one? And are there any flying groups for
the LS4? Thank you again and I hope I can contribute
to the group as I go along.

Jeff

Jeff Runciman wrote:
Thank you again for your advise. Any more thoughts
on the LS4? Any concerns with the age? What should
I pay for one? And are there any flying groups for
the LS4? Thank you again and I hope I can contribute
to the group as I go along.

Make sure you check with the insurance companies (through the SSA
program, or otherwise) before you buy anything. They have very specific
experience requirements that will determine whether they will provide
you with a policy at a reasonable price, and even whether they will
insure you at all. One big factor is going to be the number of hours
you have in over 35:1 gliders...

Marc

Marc Ramsey wrote:

Make sure you check with the insurance companies (through the SSA
program, or otherwise) before you buy anything. They have very specific
experience requirements that will determine whether they will provide
you with a policy at a reasonable price, and even whether they will
insure you at all. One big factor is going to be the number of hours
you have in over 35:1 gliders...

Considering the docile behaviour of the LS4 and, most important, the
very effective airbrakes, this makes no sense at all.

Stefan

Stefan wrote:
Considering the docile behaviour of the LS4 and, most important, the
very effective airbrakes, this makes no sense at all.

You expect insurance companies to do things that make sense?

Marc

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Stefan wrote:

Marc Ramsey wrote:

Make sure you check with the insurance companies (through the SSA
program, or otherwise) before you buy anything. They have very specific
experience requirements that will determine whether they will provide
you with a policy at a reasonable price, and even whether they will
insure you at all. One big factor is going to be the number of hours
you have in over 35:1 gliders...

Considering the docile behaviour of the LS4 and, most important, the
very effective airbrakes, this makes no sense at all.

Marc is right about this one. I paid a higher premium at first with my
RS-15 (L/D=38) because I was a low time pilot in "anything" (about 20
hours). The insurance company explained why.

Regards,

-Doug

Doug Hoffman wrote:

insure you at all. One big factor is going to be the number of hours
you have in over 35:1 gliders...

Marc is right about this one. I paid a higher premium at first with my
RS-15 (L/D=38) because I was a low time pilot in "anything" (about 20
hours).

Higher premium because of low time in "anything" may make sense, but
because of low time in over 35:1 certainly doesn't.

Stefan

Stefan wrote:
Higher premium because of low time in "anything" may make sense, but
because of low time in over 35:1 certainly doesn't.

If you consider that, here in the US, time in "under 35:1 gliders" often
means Schweizer 2-33, it starts to make sense...

Marc

Marc Ramsey wrote in message . com...

Make sure you check with the insurance companies (through the SSA
program, or otherwise) before you buy anything. They have very specific
experience requirements that will determine whether they will provide
you with a policy at a reasonable price, and even whether they will
insure you at all. One big factor is going to be the number of hours
you have in over 35:1 gliders...

Marc

For the SSA plan the experience levels are set by flights in 35:1 or
greater not hours. That can make a huge difference. I've just been
through getting my inexperienced (flying that is) wife insured for my
ASW 19b.


Andy

I bought an LS4a just a few weeks ago. The insurance company asked
about the number of flights in 35:1 or greater. They didn't seem as
interested in hours. The question about hours did not reference l/d.
The question about flights did.

I had 99 flights in 35:1 or greater (total 103 flights). My hours were
pretty low. Something like 20 hours pic. In talking to others, I think
I have a pretty normal rate.

For me there is very little conversion. The only thing to adjust to is
a cg towhook. So far, that hasn't been an issue.

The glider is easy to fly. Coordination is much easier than G102/103.
I think now I can begin to shift some of my effort to what I want to
do with the glider and away from the mechanics of flying.

Tomorrow looks good for flight number 3. Wish me luck

Doug


Marc Ramsey wrote in message . com...
Jeff Runciman wrote:
Thank you again for your advise. Any more thoughts
on the LS4? Any concerns with the age? What should
I pay for one? And are there any flying groups for
the LS4? Thank you again and I hope I can contribute
to the group as I go along.

Make sure you check with the insurance companies (through the SSA
program, or otherwise) before you buy anything. They have very specific
experience requirements that will determine whether they will provide
you with a policy at a reasonable price, and even whether they will
insure you at all. One big factor is going to be the number of hours
you have in over 35:1 gliders...

Marc

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(solo89) wrote:

I had 99 flights in 35:1 or greater (total 103 flights). My hours were
pretty low. Something like 20 hours pic. In talking to others, I think
I have a pretty normal rate.

Hmm ... why do you need 35:1 when you're averaging 12 minutes per
flight? :-)

I'm up to just over 300 flights now, 200 hours PIC, 235 hours total.
Average flight times are within a minute or two of an interesting
pattern:

80 min: single seat (K6, PW5, Libelle)
40 min: PIC two seat (taking friends for rides in Janus or Grob)
20 min: P2 two seat (training, BFR, type conversion, site check..)

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