jet powered personal glider

With an 85-lb jet engine, I should be able to come up with a
two-seater, single engine glider that would be much more affordable and
efficient than the eclipse jet. This plane would be ideal for
pilot/owners who want to fly cross-country in their own jet. Forget 3.6
million, or 850000 dollar price tag. Why not go for a 250,000 dollar
price tag and for a plane that doesn't need a parachute? Any investors
out there? I could build the first prototype for the price of one
eclipse jet.

I have an electrical engineer and a mechanical engineer and I myself am
a geometrical designer. I will design the shape of the plane and
coordinate the various tasks, the electrical engineer will design super
efficient electronic power saving components and the mechanical
engineer will handle the machine parts, tooling, and plastic molding.
We have better- than -DSP electronic motor control technology.

Please let me know if you want to be involved.

http://www.freewebs.com/aircraftpowerelectronics/

You have made my day G. Waiting for rains to stop and sitting here unable
to go to hanger to work on my conventially powered, 200 mph, 6 gph,
experimental hombuilt plane project's list of remaining items to go.
Although well past the 90% where it looks like a plane stage (and 90% to go
as the joke goes), the list is still huge when detailed and somewhat
discouraging considering effort/time remaining to be spent. Details take
motre time/effort than I ever imagined.

Now if you want to put that fuel burning 85# jet engine on a "X" winged
fuselage with two sitting tandem with twin tail booms and retracable
tricycle gear, count me in.

Thanks again, Dick
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With an 85-lb jet engine, I should be able to come up with a
two-seater, single engine glider that would be much more affordable and
efficient than the eclipse jet. This plane would be ideal for
pilot/owners who want to fly cross-country in their own jet. Forget 3.6
million, or 850000 dollar price tag. Why not go for a 250,000 dollar
price tag and for a plane that doesn't need a parachute? Any investors
out there? I could build the first prototype for the price of one
eclipse jet.

I have an electrical engineer and a mechanical engineer and I myself am
a geometrical designer. I will design the shape of the plane and
coordinate the various tasks, the electrical engineer will design super
efficient electronic power saving components and the mechanical
engineer will handle the machine parts, tooling, and plastic molding.
We have better- than -DSP electronic motor control technology.

Please let me know if you want to be involved.

http://www.freewebs.com/aircraftpowerelectronics/

On 27 Feb 2005 04:38:43 -0800, "
wrote:

With an 85-lb jet engine, I should be able to come up with a
two-seater, single engine glider that would be much more affordable and
efficient than the eclipse jet.

You mean, like the Caproni A21SJ jet from the '70s?

http://home.planet.nl/~doormaal/images/first.jpg

http://home.planet.nl/~doormaal/califa21s.html

Here's a link to some folks that are doing their own conversion:

http://www.nwlink.com/~orion/caproni.html

Dave "Hammer" Harris (BD-5J airshow performer) is their test pilot, and he gave
a presentation at our local EAA chapter. They're using the same engine as the
BD-5; the price on those is over $100,000.

Ron Wanttaja

http://www.alisport.com/eu/eng/videogallery.htm
check out the jet powered sailplane here..

also flown in US for airshow demonstrations by Bob Carlton
http://www.silentwingsairshows.com/

BT

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With an 85-lb jet engine, I should be able to come up with a
two-seater, single engine glider that would be much more affordable and
efficient than the eclipse jet. This plane would be ideal for
pilot/owners who want to fly cross-country in their own jet. Forget 3.6
million, or 850000 dollar price tag. Why not go for a 250,000 dollar
price tag and for a plane that doesn't need a parachute? Any investors
out there? I could build the first prototype for the price of one
eclipse jet.

I have an electrical engineer and a mechanical engineer and I myself am
a geometrical designer. I will design the shape of the plane and
coordinate the various tasks, the electrical engineer will design super
efficient electronic power saving components and the mechanical
engineer will handle the machine parts, tooling, and plastic molding.
We have better- than -DSP electronic motor control technology.

Please let me know if you want to be involved.

http://www.freewebs.com/aircraftpowerelectronics/

Ok, I see there is some confusion. Here is a link to the eclipse
aviation jet:
http://www.ainonline.com/issues/08_0...esseespg1.html

I am not a proponent of the eclipse plane because it is backed by Bill
Gates himself. If it flies anything like microsoft windows, I don't
want to be in it. Also, the FAA has no business being involved in
prototype development. The only result I see in the program is a cluge.


I am offering to build a prototype incorporating a similar propulsion
system except with a single engine. The wing and fuselage design will
be of my own. It will be efficient and unsophisticated.

On 27 Feb 2005 21:01:35 -0800, "
wrote:

Ok, I see there is some confusion. Here is a link to the eclipse
aviation jet:
http://www.ainonline.com/issues/08_0...esseespg1.html

I am not a proponent of the eclipse plane because it is backed by Bill
Gates himself. If it flies anything like microsoft windows, I don't
want to be in it. Also, the FAA has no business being involved in
prototype development. The only result I see in the program is a cluge.

I am offering to build a prototype incorporating a similar propulsion
system except with a single engine. The wing and fuselage design will
be of my own. It will be efficient and unsophisticated.

ummm....why did you title this thread, "jet powered personal glider" if you
truly meant an aircraft that would compete head-to-head with the Eclipse? Any
pilot would know the difference between a business jet and a glider. It's hard
to have confidence in your design team when you have such a loose understanding
of fundamental aviation concepts. You said, "I have an electrical engineer and
a mechanical engineer and I myself am a geometrical designer." Any aeronautical
engineers on your design team? Any *pilots* on your design team?

If the answer is, "no" to all those questions, why should prospective investors
have any confidence in your team's ability to design a plane that can beat the
Eclipse? Especially given that the Eclipse team has a five-year head start?
What is your plan for 14 CFR Part 23 qualification?

How does your design compare to the Cessna Mustang?

Ron Wanttaja

First of all, it will be a lightweight single engine plane. The concept
happens to be based on a 85lb jet engine with 750lb of thrust. If there
is catastrophic failure due to running out of fuel, etc., the plane
will be able to glide instead of deploying a parachute like the eclipse
does. I didn't intend to go "head-to-head" with a billion-dollar
project. I simply wanted to provide a worthy alternative for pilots who
don't need the size or expense of the eclipse. It won't promise to
"match" eclipse on any of the specifications. It's a new design
altogether. It isn't a "spin-off" of the eclipse. I only mentioned the
eclipse because that is the plane currently revolutionizing the entire
aerospace industry. I can introduce a plane that can revolutionize the
industry as well, possibly for a broader market. I'm not calling it a
business jet. It is a personal jet capable of gliding, as opposed to
parachuting.

Your other concerns are worthy of consideration. As this project is
hardly a day old, I think the details can be worked out eventually and
it is too soon to say: "oops , no pilot, no aeronautical engineer, no
billion dollars, oh well!!"

Curtis

"I am available for consultation on any subject concerning homebuilt,
kit, or general aviation electrical systems. My experience covers well
over 40 years of hands-on systems diagnostics, and electrical system
component design including DC Starter/Generator Control Units,
Alternator Voltage Regulators, Current Limit devices and other
protective systems, Actuator controls, and Brushless DC Motors.
Products of my design are in service on a significant portion of
general aviation aircraft including Cessna, Sino Swearingen and
Raytheon."
http://www.freewebs.com/aircraftpowe...s/services.htm

On 27 Feb 2005 22:10:37 -0800, "
wrote:

Your other concerns are worthy of consideration. As this project is
hardly a day old, I think the details can be worked out eventually and
it is too soon to say: "oops , no pilot, no aeronautical engineer, no
billion dollars, oh well!!"

The difficulty is, I'm suspecting you have absolutely no idea what goes into
designing and building an aircraft. I doubt anyone in this newsgroup objects to
discussing new aircraft concepts and alternate ways of efficient flight. I'm
certainly not objecting to you posting about a new airplane concept.

The problem is that you are posting to this group on a hunt for *investors*,
claiming a prototype cost of $250,000, when you:

A. Aren't a pilot
B. Aren't an engineer
C. Have assembled a aircraft design team without an aeronautical engineer
D. Don't know what it takes to build, analyze, static test, or flight test an
aircraft.
E. Aren't familiar with the FAA rules for certifying aircraft.
F. Haven't done a shred of research on the field to know of the other small
jets being developed by companies that HAVE all the above experience. For
example:

http://www.aerocompinc.com/airplanes/CA-Jet/index.htm

Now, pretend I'm a potential investor. The above company, Aerocomp, has been
building small airplanes for ten years, including several turboprop models.
Explain to me why I should invest in your plane instead of theirs.

Finally, I didn't see any mention on the Eclipse web page of their aircraft
having a parachute for airframe recovery, as you claim. They are carrying a
spin-recovery chute during flight testing, a normal precaution. Their
performance page lists a stall speed of 67 knots, which means it will glide
quite nicely without a chute.

Ron Wanttaja

Quote:"I could build the first prototype for the price of one
eclipse jet. "

I said prototype cost of 850, 000 and that is the target. The target
for the regular production is 250,000.

That aside, I appreciate your input very much. Thanks for the serious
effort you are putting into this discussion. I will keep everything in
consideration and will be better prepared in future presentations. I am
so fortunate to have people here willing to volunteer their time to
show me where I need to improve.

As far as investors go, I think I should not rely on this forum to find
them. However, as I mentioned, I will be better prepared now that I've
had some feedback.

I will definitely and absolutely defy all bureaucracy until after the
prototype is completed. To reiterate, I will not tolerate any
interference from any government or private agency or institution
during the prototype phase of this project.

Curtis