noise pollution from private planes

I live in a relatively quiet city, until recently. A flight school
opened up across the bay from me, and all day long, all I can hear
outside are these private plane motor noises.

It is really awful. It is like having a gas powered lawn mower
above me all day long. As one plane leaves, another one takes
its place. I am grateful when the evening comes, or for a rainy
day, so I wont hear them anymore.

Let's get some noise control on these small planes before we all go
crazy.

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I live in a relatively quiet city, until recently. A flight school
opened up across the bay from me, and all day long, all I can hear
outside are these private plane motor noises.

It is really awful. It is like having a gas powered lawn mower
above me all day long. As one plane leaves, another one takes
its place. I am grateful when the evening comes, or for a rainy
day, so I wont hear them anymore.

Let's get some noise control on these small planes before we all go
crazy.


Actually, $5 a gallon avgas will probably do that.

Bill Daniels

Let's get some noise control on these small planes before we all go
crazy.

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wrote:

I live in a relatively quiet city, until recently. A flight school
opened up across the bay from me, and all day long, all I can hear
outside are these private plane motor noises.

It is really awful. It is like having a gas powered lawn mower
above me all day long. As one plane leaves, another one takes
its place. I am grateful when the evening comes, or for a rainy
day, so I wont hear them anymore.

Let's get some noise control on these small planes before we all go
crazy.



Be careful what you wish for. You don't want your tow plane grounded,
do you?

wrote:

I live in a relatively quiet city, until recently. A flight school
opened up across the bay from me, and all day long, all I can hear
outside are these private plane motor noises.

It is really awful. It is like having a gas powered lawn mower
above me all day long. As one plane leaves, another one takes
its place. I am grateful when the evening comes, or for a rainy
day, so I wont hear them anymore.

Let's get some noise control on these small planes before we all go
crazy.

My glider doesn't make any such noices, and I usually start using a winch
launch (which is pretty quiet). Why are you posting this to a soaring
related group? We're generally not the ones flying these noicy machines.
Maybe you should go complain with the airfield and/or the flightschool, and
see if they can perhaps change the pattern to reduce your problems.

Regards,

André

Do you guys know what are you wishing for? Do you like to point fingers
at the other guys because you are flying a glider and using winch and
all the absurd related to it? Flight school problem? Lawnmowers?
Private plane? And you guys calling yourselves aviators and pilots?
Shame on you. And on everybody who is fuelling this type of nonsense.
You guys need to move to Europe and stay there.

Because he's a troll. Yes, complaining about the airport would be good.
They would just shut down another general aviation airport. Remember,
if the airport goes away, so does another landing spot for gliders. I
fly both powered and gliders. I'll bet the airport was there when
numbnuts bought his house (and he probably doesn't even live near an
airport) and he didn't have brain one to be able to think that maybe
someday, someone would actually fly a powered plane out of that airport.

Scott Littfin


André Somers wrote:



Why are you posting this to a soaring
related group? We're generally not the ones flying these noicy machines.

Regards,

André

"Scott" wrote in message
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Because he's a troll. Yes, complaining about the airport would be good.
They would just shut down another general aviation airport. Remember,
if the airport goes away, so does another landing spot for gliders. I
fly both powered and gliders. I'll bet the airport was there when
numbnuts bought his house (and he probably doesn't even live near an
airport) and he didn't have brain one to be able to think that maybe
someday, someone would actually fly a powered plane out of that airport.

Scott Littfin


That logic may win a battle but it will eventually lose the war to keep
small airports open. Once Chicago closed Miegs Field and got away with it,
the precedent is set for other airport closure battles.

The only long term solution is that airplanes have to get much quieter -
fortunately, there are engineering ways to do that. Retrofitting older
aircraft is possible but big gains have to be designed in.

Meanwhile, as our European friends have pointed out, winches rarely annoy
airport neighbors. Modern winches can now provide as much release height as
99% of air tows.

The reality is that fuel costs will drive us to winches which will have many
former general aviation airfields to operate from since the Cezzna drivers
won't be able to afford fuel prices.

Bill Daniels

Bill Daniels

"Bill Daniels" wrote in message
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"Scott" wrote in message
...
Because he's a troll. Yes, complaining about the airport would be good.
They would just shut down another general aviation airport. Remember,
if the airport goes away, so does another landing spot for gliders. I
fly both powered and gliders. I'll bet the airport was there when
numbnuts bought his house (and he probably doesn't even live near an
airport) and he didn't have brain one to be able to think that maybe
someday, someone would actually fly a powered plane out of that airport.

Scott Littfin


That logic may win a battle but it will eventually lose the war to keep
small airports open. Once Chicago closed Miegs Field and got away with
it,
the precedent is set for other airport closure battles.

The only long term solution is that airplanes have to get much quieter -
fortunately, there are engineering ways to do that. Retrofitting older
aircraft is possible but big gains have to be designed in.

Meanwhile, as our European friends have pointed out, winches rarely annoy
airport neighbors. Modern winches can now provide as much release height
as
99% of air tows.

The reality is that fuel costs will drive us to winches which will have
many
former general aviation airfields to operate from since the Cezzna drivers
won't be able to afford fuel prices.

Bill Daniels

A recent survey apparently indicates the $3/gal is the break point for large
SUV owners.

Adjusted for 1980 dollars, oil would be $90/barrel for gas prices to match
those historic levels.

$5/gal 100LL certainly won't inspire growth in the number of soaring pilots,
but the $25/2000ft tow becomes the $32.50/2000ft tow, not quite a show
stopper in the near term. Still, it makes the $5-$10/winch launch a
potential winner.

Frank Whiteley

A recent survey apparently indicates the $3/gal is the break point for large
SUV owners.



Now what kind of survey was that?????
All you have to do is look at Europe to see that those figures are
nonsense. Fuel prices in some countries are approaching double that
price but people are still buying SUV's like crazy.