737 off runway, Pearson Toronto

CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

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CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

Brian

Correction. Plane belongs to Air France.

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Skywise wrote in news:11evmr8cj4ej990
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Skywise wrote in news:11evmba39sl7ue3
@corp.supernews.com:

CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

Brian

Correction. Plane belongs to Air France.

Brian

Sorry, further corrections. Media now reporting it as an
Airbus A340.

Next, they'll change their minds on what airport. I thought
they confirmed information before they reported it? (nawwww)

CNN's Miles O'brien, who is a pilot(?), is _trying_ to
explain what may have happened (wind shear causing plane to
stall and fall out of the sky, but not like a dead stick
landing where the pilot still has control). Funny thing is,
the video clearly shows the plane off the end of the
runway.

I think it's far more likely the plane simply couldn't stop.
A local reporter said at the time the rain was coming
down so hard you couldn't see. When the live video first came
in it was raining pretty hard.

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Skywise wrote:
Skywise wrote in news:11evmr8cj4ej990
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Skywise wrote in news:11evmba39sl7ue3
@corp.supernews.com:

CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

Brian

Correction. Plane belongs to Air France.

Brian

Sorry, further corrections. Media now reporting it as an
Airbus A340.

Next, they'll change their minds on what airport. I thought
they confirmed information before they reported it? (nawwww)

CNN's Miles O'brien, who is a pilot(?), is _trying_ to
explain what may have happened (wind shear causing plane to
stall and fall out of the sky, but not like a dead stick
landing where the pilot still has control). Funny thing is,
the video clearly shows the plane off the end of the
runway.

I think it's far more likely the plane simply couldn't stop.
A local reporter said at the time the rain was coming
down so hard you couldn't see. When the live video first came
in it was raining pretty hard.

Brian

It sorta still is. Check
http://www.canada.com/national/story...3-706ef0159d71

Also, the liveatc.net stream for CYYZ is up and PACKED. Dave
has it archiving as well, covering before, during, and after. Though
the airport is rather shut down for the most, I doubt you'll hear much.
Have a listen anyway.

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I have no experience in airline jets other than Boeing simulators, but my
corporate jet experience tells me that the stick pusher won't let you "stall
and fall out of the sky." Always willing to be proven wrong.

Bob Gardner

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Skywise wrote in news:11evmr8cj4ej990
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Skywise wrote in news:11evmba39sl7ue3
@corp.supernews.com:

CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

Brian

Correction. Plane belongs to Air France.

Brian

Sorry, further corrections. Media now reporting it as an
Airbus A340.

Next, they'll change their minds on what airport. I thought
they confirmed information before they reported it? (nawwww)

CNN's Miles O'brien, who is a pilot(?), is _trying_ to
explain what may have happened (wind shear causing plane to
stall and fall out of the sky, but not like a dead stick
landing where the pilot still has control). Funny thing is,
the video clearly shows the plane off the end of the
runway.

I think it's far more likely the plane simply couldn't stop.
A local reporter said at the time the rain was coming
down so hard you couldn't see. When the live video first came
in it was raining pretty hard.

Brian
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"Bob Gardner" wrote in
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I have no experience in airline jets other than Boeing simulators, but
my corporate jet experience tells me that the stick pusher won't let you
"stall and fall out of the sky." Always willing to be proven wrong.

Bob Gardner

Miles O'Brien is now clearly backing off the wind shear/micro burst
theory. That's very good of him to do.

I just don't understand why he even went down that route. The
initial reports were that the plane skidded off the end of the
runway, so why speculate about wind shear/stalling/micro bursts?

Also, a press conference just wrapped up. Some numbers, but not
confirmed a

297 passengers
12 crew
14 injuries
0 fatalities

Good news considering the fire. According to passengers the fire
was small at first and in the tail of the plane and everyone got
off quickly.

Brian
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It was really hot today (like most of the summer so far) and then a brief
rain fall and grayed sky around the time of the incident so lighting must of
been a factor. Would say though that if Air France made the landing going
the opposite direction (landing going eastwards verse the western landing it
did) it could of been much worst as there is a small regional terminal and
then higway 427. Wonder if they had radioed declearing an emergency and was
directed going west. Thank God everyone is safe.


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CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

Brian

Correction. Plane belongs to Air France.

Brian
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sunil wrote:

Wonder if they had radioed declearing an emergency and was
directed going west.

Nope. All arriving airliners up to the moment of the accident were landing
on 24L at Toronto. If the site ever comes back up, you can hear the
archive of the actual ATC communications containing the Air France flight
from www.liveatc.net.

Go to the archive link there, then choose Toronto and then the 15:30
archive from today. Skip forward to about the 26th minute (the archives
are 30 minutes long) and you will hear the Air France being vectored and
cleared for the ILS approach, behind and in front many other arriving
aircraft.



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"sunil" wrote in message
It was really hot today (like most of the summer so far) and then a brief
rain fall and grayed sky around the time of the incident so lighting must
of been a factor. Would say though that if Air France made the landing
going the opposite direction (landing going eastwards verse the western
landing it did) it could of been much worst as there is a small regional
terminal and then higway 427. Wonder if they had radioed declearing an
emergency and was directed going west. Thank God everyone is safe.

Isn't God in charge of lightning? Or lighting, for that matter?

moo




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CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

Brian

Correction. Plane belongs to Air France.

Brian
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Reports are that it was struck by lighting AFTER it landed, and lost all
controls.

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CNN showing a Luftanasa 737 skidded off the end of the
runway at Peasron (sp?) airport, Toronto Canada. The plane
is on fire but appears intact. Heavy thunderstorms reported
in the area.

Brian
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