Snowbirds Crash

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Maybe after this incident the Canadians will stop making their
world-renowned aerobatic team fly around in antique aircraft?
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Maybe after this incident the Canadians will stop making their
world-renowned aerobatic team fly around in antique aircraft?

Would that it be this easy.

The inside word has it that the team is lucky to be in existence even with
the Tutors. The money just isn't there for the much needed transition into
the Hawks. In the old days, Col O.B. Philp, the "father" of the team, even
after leaving MooseJaw, was a constant supporter, putting in the good word
where it would do the most good to keep the funding open for the team. But
now he's gone, and many in the Canadian Forces want the team's budget spent
in other areas. It's been a tough road for the Snows, and they've done a
terrific job of keeping it together and running with what they have to work
with.
As you know, I've had the pleasure of flying one of the Tutors as a guest
pilot with the team (a long time ago :-) and I have firm feelings for their
mission.
Personally, I think the Snows are an invaluable asset to Canada, and I'd
hate to see the team disbanded for lack of funds. The powers that be might
do it but for the huge public outcry both in Canada and in the United
States. The team is extremely popular in both countries with good reason.
Their message of good will would be sorely missed by Canada.
Who knows what will happen? Every time there's an accident, the cry goes up
to finally disband the team. Then the people raise hell and the team is
spared another day.
My guess is that the Snows will reach the same plateau reached by the
Thunderbirds right after the Indian Springs Line Abreast Loop crash that
took Norm Lowry's team. After the dust settled in, it was either trash the
mission or upgrade it. The Thunderbirds dropped the T38's and got the Vipers
thanks to a lot of people working hard to see that happen......my self
included.
I hope the Snows reach that decision point and the Canadians finally decide
to upgrade them to the Hawks.
Dudley

Dudley,

Why Hawks and not Hornets?

The CAF puts on a great solo demo in the F/A-18...why not work the
Snows into "bugs?"

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Arizona Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

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Dudley,

Why Hawks and not Hornets?

The CAF puts on a great solo demo in the F/A-18...why not work the
Snows into "bugs?"

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Arizona Cloudbusters
Chandler, AZ

Cost most of all, and location. I haven't heard much mentioned about the Bug
which is in use at Clod Lake and Bagotville, but the Hawk has been kicked
around quite a lot by the guys back channel.
Also, the Hawk is already in use at Moosejaw on Phase 3 pilot training
prior to fighter lead- in transitioning into the CF18 at Cold Lake. The Hawk
is the natural choice if indeed there will be a choice.
D

All makes perfect sense...Thanks Dudley.

Jay B

In a previous article, "Jay Beckman" said:
Dudley,

Why Hawks and not Hornets?

The CAF puts on a great solo demo in the F/A-18...why not work the
Snows into "bugs?"

I think they do a better, more crowd pleasing show with slower aircraft.
The Blue Angels spend too much time too far away from the crowd for my
tastes.

I like the fact that the CAF does both a slow and precise show and a fast
and loud solo demo.

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engineers ever could? -- Robert Uhl

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Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, "Jay Beckman" said:

Why Hawks and not Hornets?

The CAF puts on a great solo demo in the F/A-18...why not work the
Snows into "bugs?"

I think they do a better, more crowd pleasing show with slower aircraft.
The Blue Angels spend too much time too far away from the crowd for my
tastes.

I agree completely. I've seen the Snowbirds and the Blue Angels
at the same airshow (Salinas, twice), and the Snowbirds do a much
better show. The Blue Angels (and Thunderbirds) are in front of
the crowd for ten seconds, and then take three counties to turn
around for the next pass. The Snowbirds spend more time in front
of the crowd, and then are in view the entire time they are turning
around for their next pass. The Blue Angels and Thunderbirds fly
an amazingly precise, amazingly boring show. The Snowbirds are
just as precise, but with their nine planes, can do some more
interesting formations then just the delta or diamond formation.

Pics from Salinas 2004: http://www.clear-prop.org/salinas2004/

John
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Maybe after this incident the Canadians will stop making their
world-renowned aerobatic team fly around in antique aircraft?

Would that it be this easy.

....snip...

My guess is that the Snows will reach the same plateau reached by the
Thunderbirds right after the Indian Springs Line Abreast Loop crash that
took Norm Lowry's team. After the dust settled in, it was either trash the
mission or upgrade it. The Thunderbirds dropped the T38's and got the
Vipers thanks to a lot of people working hard to see that happen......my
self included.
I hope the Snows reach that decision point and the Canadians finally
decide to upgrade them to the Hawks.

This could be a good time.

The federal budget is supposed to be in surplus shape, and public opinion is
on their side.

Not scientific, of course, but a recent poll of public would have 71 percent
give them new planes, and only 20 percent would can them. The remaining 9
would have them keep going with what they got.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Maybe after this incident the Canadians will stop making their
world-renowned aerobatic team fly around in antique aircraft?

The government has tried to shut them down before; this incident is much more
likely to result in disbandment than new aircraft.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Maybe after this incident the Canadians will stop making their
world-renowned aerobatic team fly around in antique aircraft?

The government has tried to shut them down before; this incident is much
more likely to result in disbandment than new aircraft.

Stay tuned :-)

DH