Pack guns in your little airplane

"pac plyer" wrote
The same could be done for part 91 flight. We could all write Phil
Boyer at AOPA and Paul Jr. at EAA and suggest arming ourselves at
little airports across America. This would keep non-flying TSA drones
out of our hair while at the same time providing real protection for
the GA fleet.

Buddy of mine had to add a bit of weight to the rear of his Emeraude. He
dropped in an O-290 and didn't move the battery back. I suggested he build
in a tail compartment for a Savage O/U .22 mag/20 ga.

No sense carrying a chuck of metal that won't shoot.

Rich "You never know when you're going to go down in the wilds of Missouri"
S.

On 10 Jul 2003 03:36 PM, pac plyer posted the following:

The same could be done for part 91 flight. We could all write Phil
Boyer at AOPA and Paul Jr. at EAA and suggest arming ourselves at
little airports across America. This would keep non-flying TSA drones
out of our hair while at the same time providing real protection for
the GA fleet.

Here in Alaska the pilot in command is required to carry a firearm (
except for airlines and flights passing through Canada) for survival
purposes. Buddy of mine who is a bush pilot had a client pressuring him
to make a flight in unsafe conditions. The guy started to get nasty and
in his face until he realized my friend was wearing his .45, at which
point his politeness returned to him. Now the gun was not mentioned nor
was a move made for it, but without a doubt had it not been there the
client would have continued, possibly getting physical, and a less
strong willed pilot than my friend might have given in and made the
flight.

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"pac plyer" wrote in message
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What do you guys think?


I don't consider carrying or owning a gun mostly because the places and
circumstances I am in are such that the liklihood of an accident is much
more probable than needing it for defense.

I was strongly for arming commercial pilots right from the beginning and
would consider arming myself when flying if there was some sort of federal
licensing system for pilots such that I didn't have to think about or worry
about different rules in different states.

Perhaps if pilots were considered some form of air marshal it might work
with the public.

These are the same requirements
for a concealed firearm permit that many right-to-carry states already have.
The difference is that the permit will be honored in all 50 states if you
have the aviation endorsement.

This has always kind of bothered me. I'm not a legal scholar by any definition
but it seems to me that just like our drivers and marriage licenses, auto
registrations, birth certificates, etc., our concealed carry permits should be
honored in other states per Article IV section 1. (full faith and credit)

I already pack when I fly XC. Im credentialed to carry a concealed
handgun in my state, and most of the neighboring states offer
reciprocity to concealed handgun licenseholders.

I dont take the aircraft to airline terminal ramps, so Im not bringing a
weapon into the secured area. This issue is specifically unaddressed by
part 91, which is what my operations are under, so its permitted behavior.

I've acknowledged this fact on many occasions in previous threads on
this issue. And, if I hadnt acknowledged this, the vast majority of
persons I interact with would be none the wiser: hence thats why its
called "concealed carry"

Dave, PPSEL

pac plyer wrote:

"Peter Duniho", who apparently can't navigate around a TFR wrote:
: (then hit view complete
thread)

Captain wubba correctly pointed out:

screaming 'That's not
fair! That's not fair! I want to be able to fly over the stadiums
again!' doesn't help our cause. It makes us look like we are more
concerned with our own toys than withe the security of the US


Pac sez:

Exactly, thank you Cap Wubba for saying this so I didn't have to.
Reading Peter's irrational moaning was giving me a migraine. All the
whining in the world about how "unfair" TFR's are will change nothing.
And No one is going to feel sorry for "you rich guys" and your
recreational flying woes.

So what will stop this GA witch hunt? I'd like like to call attention
to what the Air Line Pilot's Association is doing: arming themselves
to the teeth in federally approved programs. Instead of having
security officers everywhere, including the cockpit, like Aeroflot
used to do, they are assuming the role of deputized custodian of
FAR121 travel.

The same could be done for part 91 flight. We could all write Phil
Boyer at AOPA and Paul Jr. at EAA and suggest arming ourselves at
little airports across America. This would keep non-flying TSA drones
out of our hair while at the same time providing real protection for
the GA fleet.

I know, I know: Liberals like xxxxx, will start whining again about
how unfair it is that he should have to carry a gun... But no matter.
Either we start protecting these ramps ourselves, or after a few more
rag-head GA incidents, here comes the TSA at your airport to do it for
you:

"I'm sorry sir, this is a secure area... you'll have to leave that screw
driver with me, until you return from your aircraft."

Now just let me slip into my anti-gunner flak jacket here... O.K..

What do you guys think?


Pac "guns" plyer

Wow.. I can see all the people coming out of the woodwork to get their
pilots license now.. GREAT MARKETING IDEA!! Especially in cities and
states that are antigun.
Dave

Capt. Doug wrote:

(snip)
Here's how we handle it. Add a regulation to Part 61 that requires private
pilot candidates to obtain a permit to carry a firearm. This involves a
criminal background check and fingerprinting along with a gun safety course
(which should please the public naysayers). These are the same requirements
for a concealed firearm permit that many right-to-carry states already have.
The difference is that the permit will be honored in all 50 states if you
have the aviation endorsement.

D.