Meaning of sign at end of runway at LAX

In the summer taking off from LAX for JFK a sign at the end of the
runway or thereabouts read no turns until over the water. Why is this
sign necessary for pilots? Don't they know that already?
An interested passenger

Just a guess, a local noise abatement rule.



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| In the summer taking off from LAX for JFK a sign at the
end of the
| runway or thereabouts read no turns until over the water.
Why is this
| sign necessary for pilots? Don't they know that already?
| An interested passenger
|

Google for "LAX noise abatement" returned this
http://www.lawa.org/airops/pdf/Secti..._Abatement.pdf

c. Unless specifically instructed otherwise by ATC, pilots
of all aircraft

departing toward the west shall, in accordance with
Subsection 4,

maintain runway heading until past the shoreline before

commencing any turns.



Good guess




--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


"Jim Macklin" wrote
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| Just a guess, a local noise abatement rule.
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|| In the summer taking off from LAX for JFK a sign at the
| end of the
|| runway or thereabouts read no turns until over the water.
| Why is this
|| sign necessary for pilots? Don't they know that already?
|| An interested passenger
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In the summer taking off from LAX for JFK a sign at the end of the
runway or thereabouts read no turns until over the water. Why is this
sign necessary for pilots? Don't they know that already?

Apparently not.

rg

wrote in message

In the summer taking off from LAX for JFK a sign at the end of the
runway or thereabouts read no turns until over the water. Why is this
sign necessary for pilots? Don't they know that already?

Probably, but it is just a reminder about procedure. You're not supposed to
take off with flaps up, or with slush on the wings, either, but there are
reminders about those things too.

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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wrote in message

In the summer taking off from LAX for JFK a sign at the end of the
runway or thereabouts read no turns until over the water. Why is this
sign necessary for pilots? Don't they know that already?

Probably, but it is just a reminder about procedure. You're not supposed
to take off with flaps up, or with slush on the wings, either, but there
are reminders about those things too.

You are not supposed to take off with flaps up? Thats news to me.

"Nasir" wrote in message news:8Yhpf.42998

You are not supposed to take off with flaps up? Thats news to me.

Sorry, I left the statement incomplete. I presumed understanding of the
conversation in context on the part of readers. My mistake, apparently. To
be totally accurate, politically correct, and free of liability, I suppose
my statement should have read "You're not supposed to take off with flaps
up in most large turbojet or turboprop powered transport aircraft, or in
many transport or non-transport aircraft of any power type, or in any other
size or type of aircraft where trailing edge flaps are installed and where a
prohibition against such operating configuration is contained in the POH,
Operating Certificate, or other applicable documentation." Does that help
to clarify things?

"John Gaquin" wrote in message
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"Nasir" wrote in message news:8Yhpf.42998

You are not supposed to take off with flaps up? Thats news to me.

Sorry, I left the statement incomplete. I presumed understanding of the
conversation in context on the part of readers. My mistake, apparently.
To be totally accurate, politically correct, and free of liability, I
suppose my statement should have read "You're not supposed to take off
with flaps up in most large turbojet or turboprop powered transport
aircraft, or in many transport or non-transport aircraft of any power
type, or in any other size or type of aircraft where trailing edge flaps
are installed and where a prohibition against such operating configuration
is contained in the POH, Operating Certificate, or other applicable
documentation." Does that help to clarify things?


Don't typically find a lot of need for flaps on the ol' 172 on TO.

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"Darkwing" theducksmailATyahoo.com wrote in message


Don't typically find a lot of need for flaps on the ol' 172 on TO.

Very true, but you also don't find many of "the ol' 172s" departing LAX for
JFK, either. The context of the OP was clearly a transport aircraft, and
that's the context I kept in my response. I apologize to any light plane
pilots who may have felt demeaned or left out by the construction of my
reply. In future, I suggest you check context, and don't read anything not
pertaining to light aircraft, thus avoiding these horrible feelings.
Sheesh.

Darkwing theducksmailATyahoo.com wrote:

Don't typically find a lot of need for flaps on the ol' 172 on TO.

Especially in "high altitude" operations. REF: C172N, 1978 POH,
page 4-11. Where it says to lean when operating in high altitudes
above 3000 MSL. Then in the flap operations paragraph it says that
it is OK to use 10 degrees of flaps for takeoff, but not during high
altitude operations, because the aircraft "may" not be able to
climb. Remember, the POH is written by lawyers, for lawyers, and
specifically states that one of the performance conditions is "at
maximum gross weight". So, since I was taught to always use 10
degrees of flaps for takeoff in the C172... I loaded her up to max
gross weight and tested this. They are right! I will NEVER use any
flaps for takeoff in a C172 (160hp or less) when above 3000' MSL or
density altitude.

Remember, that I (now) regularily operate 145hp, 150hp and 160hp
C172s for training from Leadville, CO (LXV, 9927 MSL, 6400' length)
and Glenwood Springs, CO (GWS, 5916 MSL, 3300' length). I am well
pre-disposed to fly by the POH!

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction/mountain flying are my vocation!" Eberhard

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