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Plane for the kids
My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are
getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions would be appreciated... 1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn to fly can I aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How long can a dealer hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months or so, it would be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane. 2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in that would be fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a Taylorcraft or a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a good choice too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something fun for dad to fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better! 3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly? I do know of two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it. However, once they finished their private life seems to prevent much other flying until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will be pretty busy with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good college they will want to earn their private and then set it aside for some years. -Robert, CFI |
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("Robert M. Gary" wrote)
My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions would be appreciated... How about a glider? Now. You could do a trade for their glider lessons - unless you also instruct in gliders. Montblack |
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Considering the stress of being in a family, dads and teens,
I would suggest that you lease a taildragger, maybe a tandem cockpit and HIRE another instructor. Your kids will listen more carefully to another teacher and can then come to you for clarification and support. If you are the INSTRUCTOR and the dad, they will have conflicts and slow progress IMHO. You can use the Mooney for some of the required training and a simple VFR old or new (think light sport aircraft) to make them look out the windows. California tax law is beyond anybody's answer but you can put all your stuff in some big trucks and go to Arizona. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... | My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are | getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane | and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are | old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions | would be appreciated... | | 1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn to fly can I | aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How long can a dealer | hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months or so, it would | be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane. | 2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in that would be | fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a Taylorcraft or | a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a good choice | too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something fun for dad to | fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better! | 3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly? I do know of | two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it. However, once | they finished their private life seems to prevent much other flying | until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will be pretty busy | with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good college they | will want to earn their private and then set it aside for some years. | | -Robert, CFI | |
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Your kids will listen more carefully to another teacher and can then come to you for clarification and support.
I think that's true with the wife, I'm not worried about that with the kids. -Robert |
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"Robert M. Gary" wrote in message
oups.com... Your kids will listen more carefully to another teacher and can then come to you for clarification and support. I think that's true with the wife, I'm not worried about that with the kids. -Robert My brother taught his son to fly in his T-18. He's (My nephew, not my brother) now working on getting a job as a pilot (He's done with college, and is building hours). -- Geoff the sea hawk at wow way d0t com remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail Spell checking is left as an excercise for the reader. |
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They aren't teens yet, no child of 14-18 really believes
that their parent knows anything. My youngest is now 25 and starting to listen again. -- James H. Macklin ATP,CFI,A&P -- The people think the Constitution protects their rights; But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome. some support http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties. "Robert M. Gary" wrote in message oups.com... | Your kids will listen more carefully to another teacher and can then come to you for clarification and support. | | I think that's true with the wife, I'm not worried about that with the | kids. | | -Robert | |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote They aren't teens yet, no child of 14-18 really believes that their parent knows anything. My youngest is now 25 and starting to listen again. My observation of parent - child relations, is that nothing holds true for all relationships. Some kids will listen and learn from their parents, and some won't. You just have to figure out what category you fall into. -- Jim in NC |
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"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to
have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much he had learned." Mark Twain On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:09:57 -0600, "Jim Macklin" My youngest is now 25 and starting to listen again. George If you request flight following, can you really "slip the surly bonds of earth"? |
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I have to disagree with that. My Dad taught my mom in 30 days how to
fly. How? I have no stinkin' clue. I was able to crank it out in 3 months flying 3+ times a week. I don't fault my Dad for my training issues that I had as much as my own study habits and learning traits. Where I do fault my Dad, and I can't fault him that much, is his lack of recent flight training experience. I was his first student since my Mom learned how to fly (from him) nearly 20 years ago. While it was stressful, I can proudly say, "My Dad taught me how to fly." Chris Jim Macklin wrote: Considering the stress of being in a family, dads and teens, I would suggest that you lease a taildragger, maybe a tandem cockpit and HIRE another instructor. Your kids will listen more carefully to another teacher and can then come to you for clarification and support. If you are the INSTRUCTOR and the dad, they will have conflicts and slow progress IMHO. You can use the Mooney for some of the required training and a simple VFR old or new (think light sport aircraft) to make them look out the windows. California tax law is beyond anybody's answer but you can put all your stuff in some big trucks and go to Arizona. |
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One of my hangar neighbors has bought two 56 172's over the last couple
of years, one for his kid to learn in. He paid about $23K for each. Cessna 150/152's are horrible at even our field elevation of 3650, you can't give one of those away around here. The older 172's perform pretty well and you won't lose any money when you sell it. Robert M. Gary wrote: My kids have flown around in my Mooney their entire lives. Now they are getting close to the teen years and I'm thinking of buying them a plane and teaching them to fly in it. I've got a few years before they are old enough but I'm starting to think about it. Some group suggestions would be appreciated... 1) If I buy the plane just long enough for them to learn to fly can I aviod California sales/use tax by being a dealer? How long can a dealer hold the plane? If I only need the plane for 12 months or so, it would be sad to have to pay 9% sales tax on the plane. 2) I'm throwing around the best plane to teach them in that would be fun and not too expensive for dad. I'm thinking maybe a Taylorcraft or a Lucsome. I learned in a Cessna 140 so that might be a good choice too. I could just buy them a C150 but having something fun for dad to fly (i.e. Aeronca, etc) would make it all the better! 3) Has anyone else on the list taught their kids to fly? I do know of two other CFIs that have done this. The kids loved it. However, once they finished their private life seems to prevent much other flying until they establish in a career. I figure the boys will be pretty busy with scouts, high school, and trying to get into a good college they will want to earn their private and then set it aside for some years. -Robert, CFI |
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