Pic of DC-8 that landed on fire in PHL

This is a picture of a UPS DC-8 that landed on fire at PHL:

http://phlairline.com/N748UP.html

Anyone know more about this incident? What happened?
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Iowa City, IA
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This is a picture of a UPS DC-8 that landed on fire at PHL:

http://phlairline.com/N748UP.html

This explains why I haven't received that new carburator I ordered for
my girls dirtbike. LOL

The Monk

In article . com,
says...


This is a picture of a UPS DC-8 that landed on fire at PHL:

http://phlairline.com/N748UP.html

This explains why I haven't received that new carburator I ordered for
my girls dirtbike. LOL


Is that the one that come with 20gal of free gasoline? :-)

GF

In article 7NxGf.763046$_o.335162@attbi_s71, Jay Honeck
wrote:

This is a picture of a UPS DC-8 that landed on fire at PHL:

http://phlairline.com/N748UP.html

Anyone know more about this incident? What happened?

I'd imagine some cargo caught on fire; not sure beyond that. I'm
certain they're still investigating exactly what burned.


Speaking of burning cargo:

Keep that picture of the DC-8 in mind when packing your bag to check on
an airline flight. I distinctly remember a few years back at my
airline, we were getting ready to close up for a flight out of
Burlington, VT. The agent loading the bags came up to talk to me. He
said there was a "funny smell" coming from one of the bags, and wanted
to check it out if I didn't mind waiting.

For a suspicious bag? Are you kidding? Open it up!

And he did. What was in it? A large, half-full bottle of acetone,
leaking all over the canvas bag and releasing strong vapors. Not only
is it *extremely* flammable (particularly the vapors), but the warnings
for it also include this statement:

"Inhalation of vapors irritates the respiratory tract. May cause
coughing, dizziness, dullness, and headache. Higher concentrations can
produce central nervous system depression, narcosis, and
unconsciousness." Nice.

The cargo compartment of our airplane shares the pressure vessel with
the passenger cabin; many airplanes do. What might those fumes have
done to the occupants of the plane? What if the bag under it had
matches in it? What if they rubbed together during the takeoff roll?

Acetone is one of many things that may be legal to carry in dedicated
cargo planes, but not planes with passengers on board. (Matches and
lighters, incidentally, are also forbidden in checked bags.)

The chemical-soaked bag was taken off the plane. If I recall, the
shaken but apologetic passenger elected to go on without her bag and
pick it up on her return.

This was pre 9/11, of course; these days they probably would take her
off the plane beat her with hoses.

Pack your bags carefully, folks. :-)

--
Garner R. Miller
ATP/CFII/MEI
Clifton Park, NY =USA=
http://www.garnermiller.com/

How much acetone are we talking about? Remember, nail polish remover is
mostly acetone, and airlines allow 18 ounces for each hazardous
toiletry items. That is over half a quart. Why anyone needs that much
nail polish remover, I don't know. But it appears to be within airline
policy (at least based on what I saw on SWA website).


Garner Miller wrote:
In article 7NxGf.763046$_o.335162@attbi_s71, Jay Honeck
wrote:

This is a picture of a UPS DC-8 that landed on fire at PHL:

http://phlairline.com/N748UP.html

Anyone know more about this incident? What happened?

I'd imagine some cargo caught on fire; not sure beyond that. I'm
certain they're still investigating exactly what burned.


Speaking of burning cargo:

Keep that picture of the DC-8 in mind when packing your bag to check on
an airline flight. I distinctly remember a few years back at my
airline, we were getting ready to close up for a flight out of
Burlington, VT. The agent loading the bags came up to talk to me. He
said there was a "funny smell" coming from one of the bags, and wanted
to check it out if I didn't mind waiting.

For a suspicious bag? Are you kidding? Open it up!

And he did. What was in it? A large, half-full bottle of acetone,
leaking all over the canvas bag and releasing strong vapors. Not only
is it *extremely* flammable (particularly the vapors), but the warnings
for it also include this statement:

"Inhalation of vapors irritates the respiratory tract. May cause
coughing, dizziness, dullness, and headache. Higher concentrations can
produce central nervous system depression, narcosis, and
unconsciousness." Nice.

The cargo compartment of our airplane shares the pressure vessel with
the passenger cabin; many airplanes do. What might those fumes have
done to the occupants of the plane? What if the bag under it had
matches in it? What if they rubbed together during the takeoff roll?

Acetone is one of many things that may be legal to carry in dedicated
cargo planes, but not planes with passengers on board. (Matches and
lighters, incidentally, are also forbidden in checked bags.)

The chemical-soaked bag was taken off the plane. If I recall, the
shaken but apologetic passenger elected to go on without her bag and
pick it up on her return.

This was pre 9/11, of course; these days they probably would take her
off the plane beat her with hoses.

Pack your bags carefully, folks. :-)

--
Garner R. Miller
ATP/CFII/MEI
Clifton Park, NY =USA=
http://www.garnermiller.com/

In article .com,
Andrew Sarangan wrote:

How much acetone are we talking about? Remember, nail polish remover is
mostly acetone, and airlines allow 18 ounces for each hazardous
toiletry items.

It was much more than that; I would estimate it was about a liter-size
bottle of the stuff. I'm not sure how full it was when it entered the
bag, but it was half full when we found it and re-tightened the cap on
it. Ugh, it smelled *strong* -- even the outside of the canvas bag was
looked like it had been sitting in a puddle.

That is over half a quart. Why anyone needs that much
nail polish remover, I don't know.

I was wondering that myself; now I wish I had asked. Maybe she worked
at a nail salon? Guess I'll never know. :-)

But it appears to be within airline
policy (at least based on what I saw on SWA website).

I don't believe that's the case; it certainly isn't at my airline. Our
page says, "Items such as .... flammable liquids and solids ...are
considered hazardous. Other common items which, in limited quantities,
may be carried within baggage include hairspray, perfume, and certain
medicines which are necessary for customer use during their journey."

I don't think acetone really fits under that description either,
although it's slightly less restrictive than SWA's. They spell it
right out:

http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/chemicals.html

"Southwest Airlines does not allow Customers to carry the following
items in checked or carryon baggage:

* Aerosols (unless medicine or toiletry less than 16 fluid oz.)
* Flammable solvents..."

And acetone is, most definitely, a flammable solvent.


In more general terms, the (now-controlling) TSA permitted/prohibited
items list, it allows "Personal care or toiletries with aerosols, in
limited quantities (such as hairsprays, deodorants)" in both checked
and carry-on luggage.

But under the "Flammable Items" list at the end, every single item is
prohibited, including paint thinners and bleach (under the next
section).

You can check that list out he
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interweb/a..._Prohibited_Fa
cts.doc

--
Garner R. Miller
ATP/CFII/MEI
Clifton Park, NY =USA=
http://www.garnermiller.com/

Check he http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/toiletry.html
where it says hazardous toiletries can be carried if they are less than
18 ounces each.
Nail polish remover is specifically mentioned.

Garner Miller wrote:
In article .com,
Andrew Sarangan wrote:

How much acetone are we talking about? Remember, nail polish remover is
mostly acetone, and airlines allow 18 ounces for each hazardous
toiletry items.

It was much more than that; I would estimate it was about a liter-size
bottle of the stuff. I'm not sure how full it was when it entered the
bag, but it was half full when we found it and re-tightened the cap on
it. Ugh, it smelled *strong* -- even the outside of the canvas bag was
looked like it had been sitting in a puddle.

That is over half a quart. Why anyone needs that much
nail polish remover, I don't know.

I was wondering that myself; now I wish I had asked. Maybe she worked
at a nail salon? Guess I'll never know. :-)

But it appears to be within airline
policy (at least based on what I saw on SWA website).

I don't believe that's the case; it certainly isn't at my airline. Our
page says, "Items such as .... flammable liquids and solids ...are
considered hazardous. Other common items which, in limited quantities,
may be carried within baggage include hairspray, perfume, and certain
medicines which are necessary for customer use during their journey."

I don't think acetone really fits under that description either,
although it's slightly less restrictive than SWA's. They spell it
right out:

http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/chemicals.html

"Southwest Airlines does not allow Customers to carry the following
items in checked or carryon baggage:

* Aerosols (unless medicine or toiletry less than 16 fluid oz.)
* Flammable solvents..."

And acetone is, most definitely, a flammable solvent.


In more general terms, the (now-controlling) TSA permitted/prohibited
items list, it allows "Personal care or toiletries with aerosols, in
limited quantities (such as hairsprays, deodorants)" in both checked
and carry-on luggage.

But under the "Flammable Items" list at the end, every single item is
prohibited, including paint thinners and bleach (under the next
section).

You can check that list out he
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interweb/a..._Prohibited_Fa
cts.doc

--
Garner R. Miller
ATP/CFII/MEI
Clifton Park, NY =USA=
http://www.garnermiller.com/

In article .com,
Andrew Sarangan wrote:

Check he http://www.southwest.com/travel_center/toiletry.html
where it says hazardous toiletries can be carried if they are less than
18 ounces each.
Nail polish remover is specifically mentioned.

Interesting; guess they have radically differing policies at different
airlines. Seems funny that Southwest won't allow a dog on board, but
acetone's OK. grin

Regarding Nail Polish remover and acetone.

Its is my understanding that much of today's nail polish remover is
made of something other than acetone, unlike some years ago, when
acetone was the major component. I know one can still get the acetone
variety, though.

Regarding Nail Polish remover and acetone.

Its is my understanding that much of today's nail polish remover is
made of something other than acetone, unlike some years ago, when
acetone was the major component. I know one can still get the acetone
variety, though.