Airspace on Sectional North of Boston

Can anyone tell me about the airspace marked on the New York
North Sectional 30 nm north of Boston. It's a circle of 30
nm radius marked with a heavy blue dashed line (sort of like
Class D, but heavier) and appears to surround P-67, the
Kennebunkport ex-president's abode. All color inside the
circle is removed from the sectional inside that area. I
don't see aything about that heavy dashed blue marking on
the sectional legend.

I'm guessing that it is the limit of the TFR expansion when
the president visits, but where does it describe this type
of marking for the sectional? Is there a similar marking
for the Texas presidential home? Any others? Have I got
this right? Other than a call to flight service (and
avoiding P-67) do I need to pay any particular attention to
this marked area?

Can anyone tell me about the airspace marked on the New York
North Sectional 30 nm north of Boston. It's a circle of 30
nm radius marked with a heavy blue dashed line (sort of like
Class D, but heavier) and appears to surround P-67, the
Kennebunkport ex-president's abode.

I'm guessing that it is the limit of the TFR expansion when
the president visits,

Yep. There's a similar one on the DC chart (P-40). It can inflate
without warning. That is, you can get a briefing, take off, and while
you're in the air they can decide to inflate it. A NOTAM will be
issued, but you won't get it. If you're inside it at that time, there
could be some excitement. So, if you fly near it, I would reccomend
being in contact with ATC and asking if it is inflated or not.

Jose
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:45:04 +0000, Jose wrote:

So, if you fly near it, I would reccomend
being in contact with ATC and asking if it is inflated or not.

What happens if you're in it when it expands to encompass your current
location?

- Andrew

What happens if you're in it when it expands to encompass your current
location?

That's not something I want to find out.

I suspect they would use the same procedures as any other aircraft
stumbling into the airspace, and you'd have to answer the same questions.

Jose
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If you're in it when it goes hot AND you are talking to them, they
would probably just say "grumman 11111 TFR 30nm from Pxx is now active,
please exit the area as soon as possible" or words to that effect.

Like being in the middle of the intersection waiting for a left turn
when the light goes red. You have to clear the intersection.

Jose wrote:
What happens if you're in it when it expands to encompass your current
location?


That's not something I want to find out.

I suspect they would use the same procedures as any other aircraft
stumbling into the airspace, and you'd have to answer the same questions.

Jose

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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:45:04 +0000, Jose wrote:

So, if you fly near it, I would reccomend
being in contact with ATC and asking if it is inflated or not.

What happens if you're in it when it expands to encompass your current
location?

- Andrew


The Pres orders the airforce to shoot you down. :-)

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )

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"Andrew Gideon" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:45:04 +0000, Jose wrote:

So, if you fly near it, I would reccomend
being in contact with ATC and asking if it is inflated or not.

What happens if you're in it when it expands to encompass your current
location?

- Andrew


The Pres orders the airforce to shoot you down. :-)

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )

No he doesn't because "The Pres" isn't the one responsible for the TFR in
the first place.

Yes, he's the reason it's there, but it's the nitwits at the DHS/TSA in
conjuction with the SS who decided and continue to maintain that such huge
TFRs are necessary.

I wish it weren't so, but I don't think we'll ever break these agencies of
this "Not On My Watch" mentality.

(TFR = Totally F-ing Rediculous)

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Andrew Gideon wrote:

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:45:04 +0000, Jose wrote:

So, if you fly near it, I would reccomend
being in contact with ATC and asking if it is inflated or not.

What happens if you're in it when it expands to encompass your current
location?

http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic...&siteSection=5

On Mon, 27 Mar 2006 08:56:19 -0500, John wrote:

What happens if you're in it when it expands to encompass your current
location?

http://www.airportbusiness.com/artic...&siteSection=5

Could you be more specific? I missed which of these "violations" was
caused by growing the airspace to include an aircraft's current location.

- Andrew

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:48:10 -0500, Andrew Gideon
wrote:

On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 19:45:04 +0000, Jose wrote:

So, if you fly near it, I would reccomend
being in contact with ATC and asking if it is inflated or not.

What happens if you're in it when it expands to encompass your current
location?


To my knowledge there hasn't been an incident yet where someone got
busted by a TFR that came into being after they got their preflight
briefing but during their transit/before their landing. I suspect the
FAA will have an extremely hard time making that bust stick to
someone, especially if it is otherwise uncontrolled airspace. Oh, you
might get intercepted, and have to follow those procedures (you have
your handy interception procedure card, don't you?), but *IF* you
became familiar with all available preflight information and didn't do
something reckless, there's simply nothing they're going to be able to
stick you with.

aw