Broken window in jet plane

Hi. I need help with some data. Today, the plane carrying our
country's president had to get back to the aiport because a crack appeared
in a window. This made front page of evening newspapers and stirred up
a heated discussion in local newsgroups.

That said, one of the regulars says a pilot died in a similar
incident in 1998 when a windshield on a 747 fell off and the pilot was
sucked and froze to death. Is it true? I googled a lot and could only find
links to 'Lost' series websites...

Any mythbusters on site?


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no, but there is this story: http://www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/



"Eduardo K." wrote in message ...

Hi. I need help with some data. Today, the plane carrying our
country's president had to get back to the aiport because a crack appeared
in a window. This made front page of evening newspapers and stirred up
a heated discussion in local newsgroups.

That said, one of the regulars says a pilot died in a similar
incident in 1998 when a windshield on a 747 fell off and the pilot was
sucked and froze to death. Is it true? I googled a lot and could only find
links to 'Lost' series websites...

Any mythbusters on site?


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Eduardo K. | To put a pipe in byte mode,
http://www.carfun.cl | type PIPE_TYPE_BYTE.
http://e.nn.cl | (from the Visual C++ help file.)

or follow up this
http://www.washtimes.com/business/20...5651-9524r.htm

and this

http://www.airdisaster.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=72212

".Blueskies." wrote in message
et...
no, but there is this story: http://www.gallagher.com/ejection_seat/



"Eduardo K." wrote in message
...

Hi. I need help with some data. Today, the plane carrying our
country's president had to get back to the aiport because a crack
appeared
in a window. This made front page of evening newspapers and stirred up
a heated discussion in local newsgroups.

That said, one of the regulars says a pilot died in a similar
incident in 1998 when a windshield on a 747 fell off and the pilot was
sucked and froze to death. Is it true? I googled a lot and could only
find
links to 'Lost' series websites...

Any mythbusters on site?


--
Eduardo K. | To put a pipe in byte mode,
http://www.carfun.cl | type PIPE_TYPE_BYTE.
http://e.nn.cl | (from the Visual C++ help file.)

"Eduardo K." wrote in message
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[...]
That said, one of the regulars says a pilot died in a similar
incident in 1998 when a windshield on a 747 fell off and the pilot was
sucked and froze to death. Is it true?

Any "regular" making such a claim should be able to present a record of such
an incident.

I seriously doubt it did happen, but it's a lot harder to prove the absence
of an event. Just because no one here has heard of it, that's not proof it
didn't happen (though it does strongly suggest it didn't ).

If it actually did happen, it should be trivial for someone claiming it did
to show you a news article or aviation agency report describing the event.

I haven't seen the details of the event as originally stated, but your
description doesn't sound plausible to me. There would be significant
airflow through a window, no doubt, but I doubt it would be enough to suck a
person (whatever is meant by that), and freezing to death would require more
than some localized frostbite.

Sounds like your BS detector got set off, and it also sounds like your BS
detector is working properly.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote

Sounds like your BS detector got set off, and it also sounds like your BS
detector is working properly.

There was a case where a mechanic matched new screws from looking at the old
screws, instead of going to the repair book and getting the right screws,
while replacing a windshield in an airliner. The screws he used were
slightly undersized, and they were not able to hold, once they got to a high
pressure differential. On the first (or one of the first) flights, the
windshield blew out. Other pilot, and I think stew, held him from blowing
completely out, but he was most of the way out. I don't remember if he died
or not.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans wrote:

There was a case where a mechanic matched new screws from looking at the
old screws, instead of going to the repair book and getting the right
screws, while replacing a windshield in an airliner. The screws he used
were slightly undersized, and they were not able to hold, once they got
to a high pressure differential. On the first (or one of the first)
flights, the windshield blew out. Other pilot, and I think stew, held
him from blowing completely out, but he was most of the way out. I
don't remember if he died or not.


He survived to fly again, I saw the documentary. The accident was a
British carrier.

AFAIR, the pilot who held his feet retired, never to fly again...

Here's a story of that one.
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...html?from=top5
--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Morgans" wrote in message
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"Peter Duniho" wrote

Sounds like your BS detector got set off, and it also sounds like your BS
detector is working properly.

There was a case where a mechanic matched new screws from looking at the
old screws, instead of going to the repair book and getting the right
screws, while replacing a windshield in an airliner. The screws he used
were slightly undersized, and they were not able to hold, once they got to
a high pressure differential. On the first (or one of the first) flights,
the windshield blew out. Other pilot, and I think stew, held him from
blowing completely out, but he was most of the way out. I don't remember
if he died or not.
--
Jim in NC

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 at 15:41:35 in message
, Peter Duniho
wrote:
"Eduardo K." wrote in message
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[...]

I haven't seen the details of the event as originally stated, but your
description doesn't sound plausible to me. There would be significant
airflow through a window, no doubt, but I doubt it would be enough to suck a
person (whatever is meant by that), and freezing to death would require more
than some localized frostbite.

Something similar did happen in the UK to a BAC 1-11 I think it was. I
recall reading details of the incident.

It occurred because of faulty maintenance. The Captain's screen had been
removed and replaced but almost all of the bolts used were wrong and too
short.

In flight, but not too high as I recall the windshield blew out and the
Captain was pulled partly out though it. Other crew on the flight deck
held on to him and the first officer landed successfully.

The Captain I seem to recall was not seriously injured.

That one definitely happened
--
David CL Francis

"David CL Francis" wrote in message
...
Something similar did happen in the UK to a BAC 1-11 I think it was. I
recall reading details of the incident.

I didn't say something similar didn't happen. I said the specific incident
described didn't happen.

In article ,
says...
"David CL Francis" wrote in message
...
Something similar did happen in the UK to a BAC 1-11 I think it was. I
recall reading details of the incident.

I didn't say something similar didn't happen. I said the specific incident
described didn't happen.

The details weren't quite right - but it did - happen. It wasn't a 747
and he didn't die - ok?

I believe you stated:
I haven't seen the details of the event as originally stated, but your
description doesn't sound plausible to me. There would be significant
airflow through a window, no doubt, but I doubt it would be enough to
suck a person (whatever is meant by that), and freezing to death would
require more than some localized frostbite.


So yer wrong about that too

--
Duncan