Flight training, if you had to do it over...

Flight training duration vs best lessons frequency, pace and quality.

Need advice what is best for student pilot.
What is better, getting license fast, or to take your time, to enjoy
longer, to do it slower?
The situation.
Basic glider flight training on tow including 10 solo flights.
Flat terrain, no ridge, weather is no problem.
Student and instructor live near airfield.
There is no rush, time is no problem.

The questions
1. What is the best frequency of flying lessons, how many flights per
day, per week, per month?

4 flights per day?

4 flights per week?

How many flights would you recommend per day or per week and why?

2. Should full training including 10 solo flights be completed in 2
weeks, or 1, or 2, or 3 months, what is the best and the most enjoyable
for the student?

3. What is optimal training program on tow, minimum, average, maximum
number of dual flights before solo, what the release altitude should
be, what the duration of each flight should be etc?

4. Is there any program available for each flight-lesson for teaching
on tow from start to solo and beyond?

5. What is the best glider for teaching gliding on tow?

Andre

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The questions
1. What is the best frequency of flying lessons, how many flights per
day, per week, per month?

4 flights per day?

4 flights per week?

How many flights would you recommend per day or per week and why?

This will vary on a day by day basis with both the conditions and the
student. One of the hardest things an instructor has to learn is when a
student is about to hit 'overload'. At that point, not only does
learning stop but there is evidence that 'unlearning' starts.

So, the instructor should realise when a student appears to be in danger
of overload and wind things down at that point. It may only be necessary
to take a break (say for lunch) or it may need a longer time (eg
overnight) for a student to absorb what has already been taught and be
read for the next lesson (which is always going to include consolidation
of what has already been learned).

It has been my experience that people starting gliding 'from scratch'
generally progress best if they fly at least every two weeks. Less
frequent flying will generally result in much slower progress.


2. Should full training including 10 solo flights be completed in 2
weeks, or 1, or 2, or 3 months, what is the best and the most enjoyable
for the student?

This will vary with the student - let them make the choices (subject to
1 above). The instructor can help with this as they have experience of
many students, but the student should decide what is enjoyable!

3. What is optimal training program on tow, minimum, average, maximum
number of dual flights before solo, what the release altitude should
be, what the duration of each flight should be etc?

This will depend on the student and the conditions. It has been my
experience that no two students are alike and each processes the
training in their own way. Some learn quickly and others learn slowly -
but this appears to have no influence on their eventual abilities as a
pilot.

For those that learn quickly, one of my major concerns is that they have
developed sufficient 'airmanship' before they fly solo. People whose
learning takes longer have generally had more time to develop the
situational awareness that is the core of airmanship and will also have
been exposed to a wider range of conditions.

All flight training is competency based - it takes as long as it takes.

4. Is there any program available for each flight-lesson for teaching
on tow from start to solo and beyond?

Well - here in Australia the instructor manual provides a model for the
teaching of "exercises" (ie parts of a flight or particular parts of
safety training such as spinning). Again however, these need to be
modified to 'tailor' them to the individual student.

5. What is the best glider for teaching gliding on tow?

There is a huge choice of suitable two seaters - the best one is
probably the one that is at the field closest to you!


--
Robert Hart
+61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au

You must mean twice a week, with at least two flights a day.
That would represent a normal club weekend.
I hope that is the case.
Udo

It has been my experience that people starting gliding 'from scratch'
generally progress best if they fly at least every two weeks. Less
frequent flying will generally result in much slower progress.

I am talking about maximizing pleasure of flying, maximizing what
student will get out of each flight, maximizing progress of student in
process of learning.
Does it make sense to give a student 4 flights in one day, or is it
better to have one lesson every 2-3 days? (airport operates every day
of the week)
Should the student be given 1-2 days time to digest each flight, think
about it, and analyze it?
When weather gets good again after 5 days of rain should this student
be allowed to make 3-4 flights in one day, or is it wasting of his
money because he does not have time to digest or analyze his
experiences, and his progress may suffer?
Based on our experience is it better for the student who loves flying
very much to do the course in 2 weeks time (5-7 flights a day), or is
it better to do the same course in 3 months ( 15 flights per month).
If you are 18, have limited money, just enough to prepay the course,
would you then fly intensely for 2 weeks or would you want to enjoy 3
months metered flying just to make it last longer. What is better for
the student?
What is the best frequency of flying lessons?
Andre

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I am talking about maximizing pleasure of flying, maximizing what
student will get out of each flight, maximizing progress of student in
process of learning.

Generally, quicker is better. Repetition improves retention. Rapid progress
is very motivating.


Does it make sense to give a student 4 flights in one day, or is it
better to have one lesson every 2-3 days? (airport operates every day
of the week)
Should the student be given 1-2 days time to digest each flight, think
about it, and analyze it?

Yes, they should be given time to digest, and reflect. To imagine what they
would do differantly, next time. Judgement is better once you are on the
ground, hindsight is 20/20. This is very important, and is the primary
obstacle to "Quicker is better". How long? Depends on the student, and
their outside workload. 4 flights a day? Perhaps, with a quick student, long
days, nothing else going on, and simple flights. 2 might be closer to
optimum. 3 days between flights? Not if you can help it. 3 flights a week
minimum.

When weather gets good again after 5 days of rain should this student
be allowed to make 3-4 flights in one day, or is it wasting of his
money because he does not have time to digest or analyze his
experiences, and his progress may suffer?

Once again, depends on the student. In the review after each flight, you'll
get a good idea of the progress being made. As soon as you see errors being
repeated, give them a break.

Based on our experience is it better for the student who loves flying
very much to do the course in 2 weeks time (5-7 flights a day), or is
it better to do the same course in 3 months ( 15 flights per month).

You've bracketed the productive range well.

If you are 18, have limited money, just enough to prepay the course,
would you then fly intensely for 2 weeks or would you want to enjoy 3
months metered flying just to make it last longer. What is better for
the student?
What is the best frequency of flying lessons?
Andre


When you fly a busy schedule, you use the things you have studied, and
this helps memory. The ability to recall all of the things you studied makes
the entire process less frustrating and more rewarding. You don't spend a
lot of time reviewing things covered earlier. These things all help
training, make it more rewarding and less expensive in the long run.

On the other hand, if the student has not had time to do the fully
prepare for the next flight, a delay could be beneficial. Before each
lesson, the instructor and student should know exactly where they are going,
and what they are going to do. They should have discussed what happend last
time they tried to do it, and what should be done differantly. If a new
task is being introduced, the student should have an idea, if not be able to
explain in detail, what he is going to try to do, how he will do it, and
what to expect.

Sleep is important. Your brain does some kind of processing/filing on
all of your recent experiences while you sleep. 4 very informative flights
per day may well be to much. I'll generally spot problems and fix them
quicker the next morning.


Al CFIAMI 2000+ hours of dual given.

Hi Andre.
I said 4 flights per weekend.
In any case I am not an expert on flight training.
38 year ago I received my private power ticket.
I just looked it up, it took two Month, well actually three,
we could not fly due to very bad January in the middle of a
Canadian Winter.
My glider endorsement took 12 flights and three weekends.
I spend a lot of time on the flight line that Summer. I observed,
the new Students could not get enough training flights.
(they wanted more then 2 flights a day). I also noted, that the students
that flew only once a day and came back a week later never quite
got it and fell by the way side in the end.

Udo

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I am talking about maximizing pleasure of flying, maximizing what
student will get out of each flight, maximizing progress of student in
process of learning.
Does it make sense to give a student 4 flights in one day, or is it
better to have one lesson every 2-3 days? (airport operates every day
of the week)
Should the student be given 1-2 days time to digest each flight, think
about it, and analyze it?
When weather gets good again after 5 days of rain should this student
be allowed to make 3-4 flights in one day, or is it wasting of his
money because he does not have time to digest or analyze his
experiences, and his progress may suffer?
Based on our experience is it better for the student who loves flying
very much to do the course in 2 weeks time (5-7 flights a day), or is
it better to do the same course in 3 months ( 15 flights per month).
If you are 18, have limited money, just enough to prepay the course,
would you then fly intensely for 2 weeks or would you want to enjoy 3
months metered flying just to make it last longer. What is better for
the student?
What is the best frequency of flying lessons?
Andre

Udo Rumpf wrote:
You must mean twice a week, with at least two flights a day.
That would represent a normal club weekend. I hope that is the case.
Udo

It has been my experience that people starting gliding 'from scratch'
generally progress best if they fly at least every two weeks. Less
frequent flying will generally result in much slower progress.


You misunderstood me. By going flying every two weeks I meant being at
the airfield every two weeks, which at our club means a sequence of
flights (possibly half a dozen - depends on where a student is 'at').

Certainly, most people will progress faster if they attend and fly more
frequently, but that is up to the student to decide: gliding needs to
fit into their life and I cannot make that choice for them.

--
Robert Hart
+61 (0)438 385 533 http://www.hart.wattle.id.au

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The situation.
Basic glider flight training on tow including 10 solo flights.

Clarification please.
Student has 10 solo flights?
or wants to train to level to perform 10 solo flights?

There is one student and one instructor.
The student took gliding theory course, than he prepaid whole practical
course which includes min. 30 dual flights on tow to 500m, than he has
to make 10 solo flighst on tow to complete training required to get 3
seagulls badge of glider pilot.

The conditions are perfect, 18 years old student has summer vacation,
student and instructor have unlimited time for each other,
Both live 5 minutes from airport , open every day, weather is good,
they have choice how often to fly.

Million-dollar question is: at what frequency student should fly for
BEST RESULTS and MOST PLEASURE.
(Since we do it only once in our life, should we make it last and do it
in 2 months, not in 10 days?)

They can do required 30+10 flights in 10 days, or they can do the same
thing in 3 months doing about 15 flights per month, that is one flight
every other day.

I am asking what is best for the student, what is the best frequency of
flying lessons.
Is it one flight every other day? One flight every day? two flights
every day? two flights every other day? four flights every day ??
Etc... What is best?

Another question. If there is a plateau in learning, how many days
break from flying do you recommend, or how to deal with that problem?

Andre

Hi Andre,

Long time no see! I think it is a simple answer. It think it really
depends upon the student. One answer does not fit all students. If the
instructor knows the student, you might ask the instructor. You might
also get input from one of the students academic teachers, combine that
with some knowledge of the young man's coordination and motivation. My
guess is that if it is the "MOST PLEASURE", it will also be the "BEST
RESULTS". If you know him, what is your guess? If you love him, trust
your heart.

mg


wrote:
There is one student and one instructor.
The student took gliding theory course, than he prepaid whole practical
course which includes min. 30 dual flights on tow to 500m, than he has
to make 10 solo flighst on tow to complete training required to get 3
seagulls badge of glider pilot.

The conditions are perfect, 18 years old student has summer vacation,
student and instructor have unlimited time for each other,
Both live 5 minutes from airport , open every day, weather is good,
they have choice how often to fly.

Million-dollar question is: at what frequency student should fly for
BEST RESULTS and MOST PLEASURE.
(Since we do it only once in our life, should we make it last and do it
in 2 months, not in 10 days?)

They can do required 30+10 flights in 10 days, or they can do the same
thing in 3 months doing about 15 flights per month, that is one flight
every other day.

I am asking what is best for the student, what is the best frequency of
flying lessons.
Is it one flight every other day? One flight every day? two flights
every day? two flights every other day? four flights every day ??
Etc... What is best?

Another question. If there is a plateau in learning, how many days
break from flying do you recommend, or how to deal with that problem?

Andre