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Recently, our club's Blanik L23 was damaged during a take off incident
in which a wing struck the ground with sufficient force to crease the wing slightly at the aileron juncture. I understand that the wing is designed to fail at this point so that the major portion of the structure will survive such an incident. I have been tasked with finding someone who can engineer and execute a repair on this otherwise solid ship. Any suggestions appreciated. We are in Colorado, USA. --- Jens Peter Aarnaes |
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Earlier, aarnaes wrote:
...I understand that the wing is designed to fail at this point so that the major portion of the structure will survive such an incident. **** Disclaimer: I am not an A&P nor an aeronautical engineer. I'm just a guy who's been around a lot of broken gliders, and who develops gliders in his spare time for fun and, well... fun. ***** **** Warning: Long reply: This spun out much farther than I intended when I started. **** I've seen many, many L13 and L23 wings with that damage pattern, However, I personally believe that the story that this damage is the result of an engineered weakness to be one of soaring's urban legends. I think that if that were true, there'd be a commonly-available kit of repair parts that addresses it. And yet, it seems that every gliderport I visit has at least one Blanik wing on a trailer, creased at the flap/aileron junction, no repair kit in sight. I have been tasked with finding someone who can engineer and execute a repair on this otherwise solid ship. First off, situations like this are why you often see "Left wing wanted" ads at r.a.s and w&w. It's almost always least expensive and most effective to replace rather than to repair. But let's take it as read that there are currently no L23 wings available. My bet is that it will not be possible to engineer a repair until the exact extent of the damage can be ascertained. And that can't really happen until the wing is opened up at the damage site. So I think the first step is to find a competent party to unrivet and remove the obviously creased external skins while observing the medical rule of doing no harm. That means someone who can really and truly drill and snap the head off of a countersunk rivet, as per AC43.13, without the drill touching anything but the rivet, and do it right 95 times out of 100. I think that the chances are good that, once you get the crinkled skins off, the wing spar springs back to its original position, and all you'll need to do is straighten and reinforce a few ribs and stiffeners, match-drill new skins from the old ones, replace the skins, and you're done. If the repair can be done with straight replacement of skins and AC43.13 type repairs on the internals, no engineering is really required. But you can probably shortcut the repair a bit by only replacing portions of the damaged skins, and splicing them in using repair strips and rivet patterns calibrated to restore the original strength - that's where your engineering comes in. If the wing spar doesn't spring back, or if it is cracked or badly kinked or it cracks or kinks as you force it back into line, your wing is probably screwed. Inboard of about .7 of the semispan, you probably cannot economically splice the main spar. BTW, you can get copies of AC43.13 off of the Web; search for it with Google or (my personal favorite) Dogpile. Download and study Chapter 4 (especially 4-58e) so you know what you're getting into. I'd caution you to take care about the wing twist as the repair is performed. With the skins removed, or even substantially unriveted, the remaining structure is extremely limber in torsion, and even a few thousandths of an inch displacement per hole in a line of rivets can stack up into a substantial unintended washout or washin. BT and DT, got the T-shirt and the sunburn. My advice: make twist templates on the opposite wing before starting the repair. Here's the key thing: What I've described is a lot of slow, careful, and fiddly work. It can be done with basic handheld power tools (though I wouldn't start it without a compressor and high-speed airdrill), but it still requires a skilled and dedicated repairperson. And when that repairperson works at an established shop, they're getting paid and the shop is getting paid and the rent is getting paid, and before you know it it's costing $75/hr for 200 hours of work. That's $15000, never mind the parts, for a glider that might not bring much more on the used market. But that's not to say that your repair won't happen; just that it probably won't happen economically at an established shop. I recommend that you resist the temptation to turn to a local community college or Industrial Arts program and have them make a project of the repair. I've never seen that work right. An instructor with the best of intentions making promises that their inexperienced or unmotivated students can't keep can cause things to go to worms in a hurry. The best I've seen such an arrangement work out is that nothing bad (in fact, nothing at all) happened for two semesters. Here's your dream scenario: Somewhere in your area is someone who has a tiny lathe and a tiny drill press in a tiny basement workshop. This person makes things just for the fun of making them. They worked in Sunnyvale or Burbank before retiring, or somewhere in San Diego or Renton. They know somebody who still holds AI. They do everything with a deliberate care and slowness that drives onlookers mad with the desire to just pick up a power tool and say "Here, lemme do that for you." But they do things as right as they can be done, and certainly right enough. They do not have a drill bit with a bunch of rivet heads stacked up on it like tiny shrunken heads anywhere in the shop; they snap the heads off one by one with a pin punch like it shows in the book, like they were shown by the foreman who rescued them from the production line and put them on the Specials that the other production line guys had messed up. All you have to do is find that person and turn them into a glider pilot, or at least a glider enthusiast... Or maybe I'm just telling another fairy tale... Good luck, and best regards Bob K. http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24 http://www.hpaircraft.com/glidair |
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aarnaes wrote:
Recently, our club's Blanik L23 was damaged during a take off incident in which a wing struck the ground with sufficient force to crease the wing slightly at the aileron juncture. I understand that the wing is designed to fail at this point so that the major portion of the structure will survive such an incident. I have been tasked with finding someone who can engineer and execute a repair on this otherwise solid ship. Any suggestions appreciated. I'd start with a call to the USA dealer. -- Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA www.motorglider.org - Download "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" |
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![]() Eric Greenwell wrote: I'd start with a call to the USA dealer. Been done... BA and Blanik want a repair plan to review. They can't provide one for us, but will gladly let us pay $$ to develop one that may or may not satisfy them. We are trying to decide whether to total the ship for full insurance value, or accept a payment from the insurance that we don't yet know will cover the repair costs. The repair plan is on our dime, so once we find out the insurance would not cover the repair, we are already out the $1500 or so for generating the proposal. Our A&P has peeled back the skin around the bent spar and it is indeed creased significantly, so Bob K's intial suggestions have been followed. At the moment it seems the last suggestion of Bob's is the only cost effective way to repait the ship. Find someone willing to work for pennies per hour to do what looks like a very fiddly repair. Agree with Bob about apparent excess inventory of bent L-23 wings. ![]() -Tom |
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I have four Blanik L-23 wings (and one fuselage) available in various
states of condition - from airworthy to needing repair. Roy B. |
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Earlier, Roy Bourgeois wrote:
I have four Blanik L-23 wings (and one fuselage) available in various states of condition - from airworthy to needing repair. Thanks, I knew I remembered your earlier post, I just couldn't remember who posted it. Here's the link to photos you included: http://web.mit.edu/dsimmons/www/gbsc/ Looks promising to me. Thanks again, Bob K. |
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