Married Couples and CRM (followon to Courious Crash)

What I am trying to understand is, how a husband and wife, both pilots,
would not challenge their spouse's decision to press a situation which
might lead to an uncertain outcome?

(Taking this thread into a new direction)
Ron and Margie, Jay and Mary, and the Tcraft couple are the only married
couples who use this forum that I am aware of.
Maybe there is a new thread, do spouses that fly together use a
challenge and response type of CRM when they fly together?
What type of resolution do they use?
If either one or the other expresses a concern, do they land and sort it
out?
Does one or the other have overriding veto?

the wife is always right lol.

john smith wrote:
What I am trying to understand is, how a husband and wife, both pilots,
would not challenge their spouse's decision to press a situation which
might lead to an uncertain outcome?

(Taking this thread into a new direction)
Ron and Margie, Jay and Mary, and the Tcraft couple are the only married
couples who use this forum that I am aware of.
Maybe there is a new thread, do spouses that fly together use a
challenge and response type of CRM when they fly together?
What type of resolution do they use?
If either one or the other expresses a concern, do they land and sort it
out?
Does one or the other have overriding veto?

Even though my wife does not have a pilot certificate, she does have an
amazing common sense. She is never reluctant to share it. She also
seems to have an uncanny knack for understanding most of the aviation
faux pas. If she catches me doing anything that "seems" out of place,
I hear about it immediately.

My opinion is that the level of feedback one spouse to another depends
more on the personality of the couples than it does on the formal
training of either. This would probably also be true of the cases
where two unrelated pilots get into trouble, or even a CFI and some
students.

tom

john smith wrote:
Maybe there is a new thread, do spouses that fly together use a
challenge and response type of CRM when they fly together?

tom wrote:
Even though my wife does not have a pilot certificate, she does have an
amazing common sense. She is never reluctant to share it. She also
seems to have an uncanny knack for understanding most of the aviation
faux pas. If she catches me doing anything that "seems" out of place,
I hear about it immediately.

Yep, I can relate to Tom's experiences. Heck, when I am high on
approach, she knows. My so called mistake was explaining the VASI /
PAPI light system.

She knows my preflight routine, and if I even hesitate on something,
she is all over me wanting to know what's up.

We keep a seperate "log" for her, and she has accumulated 103 hours of
flying time with me. I will say she has been a trooper through it
all.

She will take 1 1/2 hour trips with no problems, but still antsy about
anything longer then that, not for the equipment or pilot, but the
weather which I fully understand.

She will tolerate pop corn type clouds, but anything more denser, she'd
just as well stay on the ground, which I fully respect.

Heck, she goes with me, so I don't ask anything more then that :-)
since I am sure it's a huge step for her to get this far.

Allen

You are a very lucky man, allen.

john smith writes:

What I am trying to understand is, how a husband and wife, both pilots,
would not challenge their spouse's decision to press a situation which
might lead to an uncertain outcome?

I don't see why this would be any different from any two pilots who
have a personal bond with each other in addition to their piloting
association. The difference, if there is one, is merely one of degree
(most pilots don't love their co-pilots).

Beyond that, it's personality.

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Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Mxsmanic wrote:
john smith writes:

What I am trying to understand is, how a husband and wife, both pilots,
would not challenge their spouse's decision to press a situation which
might lead to an uncertain outcome?

I don't see why this would be any different from any two pilots who
have a personal bond with each other in addition to their piloting
association. The difference, if there is one, is merely one of degree
(most pilots don't love their co-pilots).

Ok, so we know that Mxsmanic isn't married.

-Robert

(Taking this thread into a new direction)
Ron and Margie, Jay and Mary, and the Tcraft couple are the only married
couples who use this forum that I am aware of.

Jim & Gail.


Maybe there is a new thread, do spouses that fly together use a challenge
and response type of CRM when they fly together?

That's generally the way our checklists are done.

What type of resolution do they use?

Depends on whose Palm we are using. Hers has a 640 x 480 screen.

If either one or the other expresses a concern, do they land and sort it
out?

Either one can say "I don't like this. Let's (a) not do it or (b) land and
think about it.

Does one or the other have overriding veto?

Absolutely not. EIther one can pull the plug at any time.

Jim

OOPS!! Sorry, how careless of me to forget fellow Wrong Brothers. :-))

RST Engineering wrote:

(Taking this thread into a new direction)
Ron and Margie, Jay and Mary, and the Tcraft couple are the only married
couples who use this forum that I am aware of.



Jim & Gail.

Didn't AOPA have an article about this in the past 6 months or so?
Written by the Kings, mostly by him, explaining what foolish things
they (he) did in the past and how they now approach the issue.