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Control Tower without class D
In another thread, I have just read that there might be controlled airports
without having class D airspace, and pilots are supposed to know this and know to contact the tower and stay of their non-class D airspace if they are not in contact with the tower. Can anyone confirm this? Danny Deger |
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Control Tower without class D
On May 15, 7:52 pm, "Danny Deger" wrote:
In another thread, I have just read that there might be controlled airports without having class D airspace, and pilots are supposed to know this and know to contact the tower and stay of their non-class D airspace if they are not in contact with the tower. Can anyone confirm this? Danny Deger That's what we had at Mather, California before the tower had ATIS weather. -Robert |
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Control Tower without class D
"Danny Deger" wrote in message ... In another thread, I have just read that there might be controlled airports without having class D airspace, and pilots are supposed to know this and know to contact the tower and stay of their non-class D airspace if they are not in contact with the tower. Can anyone confirm this? There's one at FLD every summer. |
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Yes. Read 91.126(d) in CFR14 (used to be FAR's). It talks about operating in vicinity of an airport in class G airspace. Scroll down to (d) and it talks about communication with control towers. A couple of examples are Fort Worth Spinks (KFWS) and Grand Prairie (KGPM) on the south side of Dallas. There are other examples out there. You can view the sectional charts here http://skyvector.com/ And below is the relevant text from 14 CFR 91.126(d) ************************************************** *************** § 91.126 Operating on or in the vicinity of an airport in Class G airspace. top (d) Communications with control towers. Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft to, from, through, or on an airport having an operational control tower unless two-way radio communications are maintained between that aircraft and the control tower. Communications must be established prior to 4 nautical miles from the airport, up to and including 2,500 feet AGL. However, if the aircraft radio fails in flight, the pilot in command may operate that aircraft and land if weather conditions are at or above basic VFR weather minimums, visual contact with the tower is maintained, and a clearance to land is received. If the aircraft radio fails while in flight under IFR, the pilot must comply with §91.185. [Doc. No. 24458, 56 FR 65658, Dec. 17, 1991, as amended by Amdt. 91- 239, 59 FR 11693, Mar. 11, 1994; Amdt. 91-282, 69 FR 44880, July 27, 2004] ************************************************** ************************* On May 15, 9:52 pm, "Danny Deger" wrote: In another thread, I have just read that there might be controlled airports without having class D airspace, and pilots are supposed to know this and know to contact the tower and stay of their non-class D airspace if they are not in contact with the tower. Can anyone confirm this? Danny Deger |
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wrote in message oups.com... Yes. Read 91.126(d) in CFR14 (used to be FAR's). It talks about operating in vicinity of an airport in class G airspace. Scroll down to (d) and it talks about communication with control towers. A couple of examples are Fort Worth Spinks (KFWS) and Grand Prairie (KGPM) on the south side of Dallas. There are other examples out there. Does anyone know why the FAA doesn't just put class D airspace around these airports? This would make for a nice blue dash line on the map to show the point the local tower must be contacted. Danny Deger You can view the sectional charts here http://skyvector.com/ And below is the relevant text from 14 CFR 91.126(d) ************************************************** *************** § 91.126 Operating on or in the vicinity of an airport in Class G airspace. top (d) Communications with control towers. Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft to, from, through, or on an airport having an operational control tower unless two-way radio communications are maintained between that aircraft and the control tower. Communications must be established prior to 4 nautical miles from the airport, up to and including 2,500 feet AGL. However, if the aircraft radio fails in flight, the pilot in command may operate that aircraft and land if weather conditions are at or above basic VFR weather minimums, visual contact with the tower is maintained, and a clearance to land is received. If the aircraft radio fails while in flight under IFR, the pilot must comply with §91.185. [Doc. No. 24458, 56 FR 65658, Dec. 17, 1991, as amended by Amdt. 91- 239, 59 FR 11693, Mar. 11, 1994; Amdt. 91-282, 69 FR 44880, July 27, 2004] ************************************************** ************************* On May 15, 9:52 pm, "Danny Deger" wrote: In another thread, I have just read that there might be controlled airports without having class D airspace, and pilots are supposed to know this and know to contact the tower and stay of their non-class D airspace if they are not in contact with the tower. Can anyone confirm this? Danny Deger |
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Does anyone know why the FAA doesn't just put class D airspace around these airports?
It would change the VFR minima? Jose -- Quantum Mechanics is like this: God =does= play dice with the universe, except there's no God, and there's no dice. And maybe there's no universe. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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"Danny Deger" wrote in message ... Does anyone know why the FAA doesn't just put class D airspace around these airports? Probably because it would have an adverse effect on operations. Aeroplanner.com shows 34 helicopters based at GPM. Put a Class D surface area there and there'd be a lot of requests for SVFR whenever the weather was below VFR minima. SVFR aircraft have to be separated from each other and from IFR aircraft. This would make for a nice blue dash line on the map to show the point the local tower must be contacted. You're free to draw a nice blue dash circle around these airports on your sectional. |
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Control Tower without class D
On May 15, 10:40 am, wrote:
Yes. Read 91.126(d) in CFR14 (used to be FAR's). It talks about operating in vicinity of an airport in class G airspace. Scroll down to (d) and it talks about communication with control towers. A couple of examples are Fort Worth Spinks (KFWS) and Grand Prairie (KGPM) on the south side of Dallas. There are other examples out there. You can view the sectional charts herehttp://skyvector.com/ And below is the relevant text from 14 CFR 91.126(d) ************************************************** *************** § 91.126 Operating on or in the vicinity of an airport in Class G airspace. top (d) Communications with control towers. Unless otherwise authorized or required by ATC, no person may operate an aircraft to, from, through, or on an airport having an operational control tower unless two-way radio communications are maintained between that aircraft and the control tower. Communications must be established prior to 4 nautical miles from the airport, up to and including 2,500 feet AGL. However, if the aircraft radio fails in flight, the pilot in command may operate that aircraft and land if weather conditions are at or above basic VFR weather minimums, visual contact with the tower is maintained, and a clearance to land is received. If the aircraft radio fails while in flight under IFR, the pilot must comply with §91.185. [Doc. No. 24458, 56 FR 65658, Dec. 17, 1991, as amended by Amdt. 91- 239, 59 FR 11693, Mar. 11, 1994; Amdt. 91-282, 69 FR 44880, July 27, 2004] ************************************************** ************************* On May 15, 9:52 pm, "Danny Deger" wrote: In another thread, I have just read that there might be controlled airports without having class D airspace, and pilots are supposed to know this and know to contact the tower and stay of their non-class D airspace if they are not in contact with the tower. Can anyone confirm this? Danny Deger- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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Class G towers are temporary in nature. When we set up fire towers
every summer they are most often in class G. I wouldn't worry about the rules as we controllers are really lax at places like this. There are no tapes and the level of traffic is low. The runway separation rules are just a guideline. We're not sending someone around because we're a mere 500 feet short on the separation. You're only going to know about class G towers by notam. Danny Deger wrote: In another thread, I have just read that there might be controlled airports without having class D airspace, and pilots are supposed to know this and know to contact the tower and stay of their non-class D airspace if they are not in contact with the tower. Can anyone confirm this? Danny Deger |
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On May 15, 8:39 am, Newps wrote:
Class G towers are temporary in nature. When we set up fire towers every summer they are most often in class G. I wouldn't worry about the rules as we controllers are really lax at places like this. There are no tapes and the level of traffic is low. The runway separation rules are just a guideline. We're not sending someone around because we're a mere 500 feet short on the separation. You're only going to know about class G towers by notam. Danny Deger wrote: In another thread, I have just read that there might be controlled airports without having class D airspace, and pilots are supposed to know this and know to contact the tower and stay of their non-class D airspace if they are not in contact with the tower. Can anyone confirm this? Danny Deger- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - As I recall the class G tower at MHR lived for at least 6 months before it became class D. It did appear on the sectional as I recall. -Robert |
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