New trainer from SZD Bielsko

SZD Bielsko is in the final phase of testing of "new" 2 seat glider
designed for initial and advanced training. It will be fully aerobatic
with 17.5 m wings and with 20 m wings it becomes pretty good x-c
sailplane with L/D of 41.8. The reason I am saying "new" with
quotation marks is that the glider was designed in the late 80-ties
and bears name SZD 54 Perkoz. But the SZD Bielsko is working right now
to bring the glider into production.
http://www.szd.com.pl/pdf/szd-54_perkoz_doku_en.pdf

Jacek
Washington State

Beautiful! I love a one piece canopy. We need more trainers like this.

The only small thing I see from the pictures that might concern me is the
external mass ballances on the elevator. Many glilder fields are less than
perfectly clear of debris. It looks as if it might be possible a chunk of
that debris (or a unused tow rope) might get lodged between the stabilizer
and the mass balance horn on the takeoff roll. This has happened on older
gliders.

If there's still time in the development phase for these mass ballances to
be internalized, doing so might improve the glider's marketability.

Bill Daniels


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SZD Bielsko is in the final phase of testing of "new" 2 seat glider
designed for initial and advanced training. It will be fully aerobatic
with 17.5 m wings and with 20 m wings it becomes pretty good x-c
sailplane with L/D of 41.8. The reason I am saying "new" with
quotation marks is that the glider was designed in the late 80-ties
and bears name SZD 54 Perkoz. But the SZD Bielsko is working right now
to bring the glider into production.
http://www.szd.com.pl/pdf/szd-54_perkoz_doku_en.pdf

Jacek
Washington State

N9439G is registered in Las Vegas, NV.

On Jun 20, 8:12 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:
Beautiful! I love a one piece canopy. We need more trainers like this.

The only small thing I see from the pictures that might concern me is the
external mass ballances on the elevator. Many glilder fields are less than
perfectly clear of debris. It looks as if it might be possible a chunk of
that debris (or a unused tow rope) might get lodged between the stabilizer
and the mass balance horn on the takeoff roll. This has happened on older
gliders.

If there's still time in the development phase for these mass ballances to
be internalized, doing so might improve the glider's marketability.

Bill Daniels

wrote in message

oups.com...

SZD Bielsko is in the final phase of testing of "new" 2 seat glider
designed for initial and advanced training. It will be fully aerobatic
with 17.5 m wings and with 20 m wings it becomes pretty good x-c
sailplane with L/D of 41.8. The reason I am saying "new" with
quotation marks is that the glider was designed in the late 80-ties
and bears name SZD 54 Perkoz. But the SZD Bielsko is working right now
to bring the glider into production.
http://www.szd.com.pl/pdf/szd-54_perkoz_doku_en.pdf

Jacek
Washington State

IT may be.. but we've never seen it here... I wonder where the LLC keeps it.
It also says it was built in 1991.. not really a "new" glider.
BT

"Frank Whiteley" wrote in message
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N9439G is registered in Las Vegas, NV.

On Jun 20, 8:12 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:
Beautiful! I love a one piece canopy. We need more trainers like this.

The only small thing I see from the pictures that might concern me is the
external mass ballances on the elevator. Many glilder fields are less
than
perfectly clear of debris. It looks as if it might be possible a chunk
of
that debris (or a unused tow rope) might get lodged between the
stabilizer
and the mass balance horn on the takeoff roll. This has happened on older
gliders.

If there's still time in the development phase for these mass ballances
to
be internalized, doing so might improve the glider's marketability.

Bill Daniels

wrote in message

oups.com...

SZD Bielsko is in the final phase of testing of "new" 2 seat glider
designed for initial and advanced training. It will be fully aerobatic
with 17.5 m wings and with 20 m wings it becomes pretty good x-c
sailplane with L/D of 41.8. The reason I am saying "new" with
quotation marks is that the glider was designed in the late 80-ties
and bears name SZD 54 Perkoz. But the SZD Bielsko is working right now
to bring the glider into production.
http://www.szd.com.pl/pdf/szd-54_perkoz_doku_en.pdf

Jacek
Washington State

Actually, I thought I read in some club NL that it was in Oregon.
Maybe they have one of the Nevada corporations that were being pitched
on the radio a couple of years ago;^)

Frank

On Jun 21, 8:36 pm, "BT" wrote:
IT may be.. but we've never seen it here... I wonder where the LLC keeps it.
It also says it was built in 1991.. not really a "new" glider.
BT

"Frank Whiteley" wrote in message

ups.com...

N9439G is registered in Las Vegas, NV.

On Jun 20, 8:12 pm, "Bill Daniels" bildan@comcast-dot-net wrote:
Beautiful! I love a one piece canopy. We need more trainers like this.

The only small thing I see from the pictures that might concern me is the
external mass ballances on the elevator. Many glilder fields are less
than
perfectly clear of debris. It looks as if it might be possible a chunk
of
that debris (or a unused tow rope) might get lodged between the
stabilizer
and the mass balance horn on the takeoff roll. This has happened on older
gliders.

If there's still time in the development phase for these mass ballances
to
be internalized, doing so might improve the glider's marketability.

Bill Daniels

wrote in message

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SZD Bielsko is in the final phase of testing of "new" 2 seat glider
designed for initial and advanced training. It will be fully aerobatic
with 17.5 m wings and with 20 m wings it becomes pretty good x-c
sailplane with L/D of 41.8. The reason I am saying "new" with
quotation marks is that the glider was designed in the late 80-ties
and bears name SZD 54 Perkoz. But the SZD Bielsko is working right now
to bring the glider into production.
http://www.szd.com.pl/pdf/szd-54_perkoz_doku_en.pdf

Jacek
Washington State

The SZD-54 is located at Meadowlake Airport in Colorado Springs. It is
flying.

John

On Jun 21, 11:11 pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:
Actually, I thought I read in some club NL that it was in Oregon.
Maybe they have one of the Nevada corporations that were being pitched
on the radio a couple of years ago;^)

Frank

Just following up with a new data point.

The original SZD-54 Perkoz is apparently based in Colorado Springs and
the owner has now flown it several times.

Frank Whiteley

Bill Daniels wrote:

Beautiful! I love a one piece canopy.

All I see is that big structural element which seems to severely limit
the instructors vision. Not exactly what I would call safe in a glider
focused on primary training.

Stefan napisał(a):
All I see is that big structural element which seems to severely limit
the instructors vision. Not exactly what I would call safe in a glider
focused on primary training.

From what you're saying I can see that you have never flown Puchacz.
I'm instructor and I've spent some time in the back seat of this glider,
never had any problems with visibility. The Perkoz seems to be better
when it comes to visibility so don't worry. Besides what is more
important in a trainer is a visibility from the front seat, where
student place is.


Regards
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www.aeroklub.deblin.pl, my photos on airliners.net - http://tiny.pl/rcwl

--=JJay=-- schrieb:

From what you're saying I can see that you have never flown Puchacz.

You're correct, my statement was based only on theoretical geometrical
considerations.

Besides what is more important in a trainer is a visibility from the
front seat, where student place is.

I couldn't disagree more.