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![]() It's one thing for ATC to issue instructions for the safe operation of aircraft without suffering exposure to the risk of any lethal consequences for misdirecting air traffic, but to then blame pilots for ATC operational errors reveals a cavalier hubris beyond belief: DFW FUDGING ATC OPERATIONAL ERROR RATES? (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#195619) The U.S. Office of Special Counsel (OSC) late last week directed DOT Secretary Mary Peters to investigate allegations by air traffic controllers at Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport that management has covered up ATC operational errors at the facility. According to the OSC, air traffic controller Anne Whiteman told the special counsel in 2004 that managers at the DFW TRACON routinely covered up operational errors by not properly investigating and reporting them as required by FAA policy. Making it even worse, Whiteman said she was reprimanded by her managers and harassed by coworkers because of the disclosure. In February 2005, the DOT Inspector General reported that her whistleblowing had resulted in the exposure of a seven-year management practice of underreporting operational errors. The report noted that FAA officials considered the underreporting to be very serious and had begun corrective actions. In recent disclosures made by Whiteman and an unidentified whistleblower alleged that FAA personnel at DFW are routinely identifying operational errors as pilot errors. The FAA maintains that all controller errors are being correctly reported and said its inspectors recently visited the airport. In some cases, the whistleblowers say that managers have improperly interpreted FAA orders and directives to cover up operational errors. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#195619 |
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![]() Larry Dighera wrote: It's one thing for ATC to issue instructions for the safe operation of aircraft without suffering exposure to the risk of any lethal consequences for misdirecting air traffic, but to then blame pilots for ATC operational errors reveals a cavalier hubris beyond belief: This comes up from time to time. No pilot has ever even known he was involved. It's not as if they all get sent to FSDO. It's a convenient excuse that allows you to make the matter disappear. |
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:59:18 -0600, Newps wrote
in : Larry Dighera wrote: It's one thing for ATC to issue instructions for the safe operation of aircraft without suffering exposure to the risk of any lethal consequences for misdirecting air traffic, but to then blame pilots for ATC operational errors reveals a cavalier hubris beyond belief: This comes up from time to time. No pilot has ever even known he was involved. It's not as if they all get sent to FSDO. It's a convenient excuse that allows you to make the matter disappear. I understand your reasoning, but there are a few ramifications of that "policy" that you failed to mention: 1. Statistically pilots' error rate is artificially inflated to unjustly accommodate ATC chicanery. To the extent that such statistics are used for planning and policy modification, they provide erroneous information, thus degrading the result. 2. ATC personnel who commit operational errors are not caught, so that they can be re-trained, or made aware of how to correct their thinking that caused the errors they made. No matter how one attempts to whitewash it, deceit is still a lie. |
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![]() Larry Dighera wrote: I understand your reasoning, but there are a few ramifications of that "policy" that you failed to mention: 1. Statistically pilots' error rate is artificially inflated to unjustly accommodate ATC chicanery. To the extent that such statistics are used for planning and policy modification, they provide erroneous information, thus degrading the result. They don't get reported outside the facility therefore they don't skew any numbers. Management says..."Yup, pilot error," Matter dropped. Nobody else knows the pilot got blamed for an ATC error. 2. ATC personnel who commit operational errors are not caught, so that they can be re-trained, or made aware of how to correct their thinking that caused the errors they made. The vast majority of the errors will be compression errors on final. Separation falls to 2.9 miles as leading aircraft is just about to cross the numbers. You need three. Big deal, 582 feet short of the required 15,700 horizontal feet. |
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![]() "Newps" wrote in message ... The vast majority of the errors will be compression errors on final. Separation falls to 2.9 miles as leading aircraft is just about to cross the numbers. You need three. Big deal, 582 feet short of the required 15,700 horizontal feet. Where is a mile 5820 feet sometimes and 5233 1/3 feet at other times? |
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 10:25:52 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote: "Newps" wrote in message ... The vast majority of the errors will be compression errors on final. Separation falls to 2.9 miles as leading aircraft is just about to cross the numbers. You need three. Big deal, 582 feet short of the required 15,700 horizontal feet. Where is a mile 5820 feet sometimes and 5233 1/3 feet at other times? The same places where pi=3. :-) -- Jay. (remove dashes for legal email address) |
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:31:11 +0000, Larry Dighera wrote:
The report noted that FAA officials considered the underreporting to be very serious and had begun corrective actions. [...] The FAA maintains that all controller errors are being correctly reported and said its inspectors recently visited the airport. Eh? It's a serious problem, corrective action has begin, and there was no problem? - Andrew |
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