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Old August 28th 07, 07:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Default Can the airport ban bicycles?

Our new hangar lease includes a specific ban on bicycles, of all
things. (And cars, and anything else in the hangars not directly
related to aviation.)

Is this legal?
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Old August 28th 07, 07:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Barrow[_4_]
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Our new hangar lease includes a specific ban on bicycles, of all
things. (And cars, and anything else in the hangars not directly
related to aviation.)

Is this legal?


If they use a nebulous term, such as "safety", it probably is.


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Old August 28th 07, 07:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

Our new hangar lease includes a specific ban on bicycles, of all
things. (And cars, and anything else in the hangars not directly
related to aviation.)


So you can't park your car in your hangar while you're flying your airplane?



Is this legal?


Possibly. Is it right? No.


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Old August 28th 07, 09:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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Default Can the airport ban bicycles?

Our new hangar lease includes a specific ban on bicycles, of all
things. (And cars, and anything else in the hangars not directly
related to aviation.)


So you can't park your car in your hangar while you're flying your airplane?


No, they specifically okay that practice in the lease. But bikes,
cars, motorcycles, and anything "non-aeronautical" is banned
(according to their reading of the rules) at all other times -- even
if there is ample room around the aircraft.

In my opinion, this is a gross mis-reading of the FARs, which were put
in place to make sure that airport hangars were not used as cheap
storage units for boats and other non-aircraft.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


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Old August 28th 07, 09:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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In my opinion, this is a gross mis-reading of the FARs, which were put
in place to make sure that airport hangars were not used as cheap
storage units for boats and other non-aircraft.


What FARs cover hangar leases?


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Old August 28th 07, 10:04 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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What FARs cover hangar leases?

Yeah.
I was wondering that misself.

Maybe part "86"

Hmmm , it reads:"..any item not directly related to operating a hangared
aircraft must be "86'd", kaput, nada, outta dere.."

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Old August 28th 07, 11:11 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jay Honeck
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What FARs cover hangar leases?

It's called "Grant Assurance 29". Here ya go:

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...assurances.pdf

Specifically Grant Assurance #29 says this:

29. Airport Layout Plan. a. It will keep up to date at all times an
airport layout plan of the airport showing (1) boundaries of the
airport and all proposed additions thereto, together with the
boundaries of all offsite areas owned or controlled by the sponsor for
airport purposes and proposed additions thereto; (2) the location and
nature of all existing and proposed airport facilities and structures
(such as runways, taxiways, aprons, terminal buildings, hangars and
roads), including all proposed extensions and reductions of existing
airport facilities; and (3) the location of all existing and proposed
nonaviation areas and of all existing improvements thereon. Such
airport layout plans and each amendment, revision, or modification
thereof, shall be subject to the approval of the Secretary which
approval shall be evidenced by the signature of a duly authorized
representative of the Secretary on the face of the airport layout
plan. The sponsor will not make or permit any changes or alterations
in the airport or any of its facilities which are not in conformity
with the airport layout plan as approved by the Secretary and which
might, in the opinion of the Secretary, adversely affect the safety,
utility or efficiency of the airport. b. If a change or alteration in
the airport or the facilities is made which the Secretary determines
adversely affects the safety, utility, or efficiency of any federally
owned, leased, or funded property on or off the airport and which is
not in conformity with the airport layout plan as approved by the
Secretary, the owner or operator will, if requested, by the Secretary
(1) eliminate such adverse effect in a manner approved by the
Secretary; or (2) bear all costs of relocating such property (or
replacement thereof) to a site acceptable to the Secretary and all
costs of restoring such property (or replacement thereof) to the level
of safety, utility, efficiency, and cost of operation existing before
the unapproved change in the airport or its facilities.

The airport commission is using this as justification for the ban,
since allowing the hangars to be used to "store" stuff would be a
"change or alteration in the facilities" and put our FAA grant money
at stake.

It's all BS, if you ask me. I think it's a gross mis-reading of the
rule.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Old August 29th 07, 12:08 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Robert M. Gary
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Default Can the airport ban bicycles?

On Aug 28, 3:11 pm, Jay Honeck wrote:
What FARs cover hangar leases?


It's called "Grant Assurance 29". Here ya go:

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...nt_assurances/...

Specifically Grant Assurance #29 says this:


Doesn't that assume that the hangers will build with AIF?

-Robert


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Old August 29th 07, 12:19 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Bob Noel
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Default Can the airport ban bicycles?

In article . com,
Jay Honeck wrote:


The airport commission is using this as justification for the ban,
since allowing the hangars to be used to "store" stuff would be a
"change or alteration in the facilities" and put our FAA grant money
at stake.


NOT allowing this stuff would be a change. People have been using
hangars to store stuff since the beginning...

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Bob Noel
(goodness, please trim replies!!!)

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Old August 29th 07, 12:39 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Matt Whiting
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Default Can the airport ban bicycles?

Jay Honeck wrote:
What FARs cover hangar leases?


It's called "Grant Assurance 29". Here ya go:

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...assurances.pdf

Specifically Grant Assurance #29 says this:


I don't think this is an FAR though.

Matt
 




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