Better nuke Israel before it is too late

Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.

The unprecedented disclosure came as Israel announced that states
'harbouring terrorists' are legitimate targets, responding to Syria's
declaration of its right to self-defence should Israel bomb its
territory again.

According to Israeli and Bush administration officials interviewed by
the Los Angeles Times, the sea-launch capability gives Israel the
ability to target Iran more easily should the Iranians develop their own
nuclear weapons.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/inter...061381,00.html

ddd wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab
neighbours.
snip

Harpoon carries a nuke? I didn't see any mention of it. Sounds like
another ghost story. Setting that aside, I wish the Israelis good
hunting.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-84.htm

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http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2003/091703.htm

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 00:11:50 -0500, "tscottme"
wrote:

ddd wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab
neighbours.
snip

Harpoon carries a nuke? I didn't see any mention of it. Sounds like
another ghost story. Setting that aside, I wish the Israelis good
hunting.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/agm-84.htm

I never heard of a nuke 'poon, I believe that this is just more
anti-US propaganda.

Al Minyard

"ddd" wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.



I think they meant Popyeye Turbo cruise missiles. Not Harpoon . Popeye could
be around 1500 kilometers, Harpoon is anti shipping. and around 120 km.
They should have written, 'Harpoon equipped submarines with additional
indigenous cruise missiles.
The subs were/are the third leg of Israel's nuclear delivery capability.

ExpatEgghead

"Adrian" wrote in message ...
"ddd" wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.



I think they meant Popyeye Turbo cruise missiles. Not Harpoon . Popeye could
be around 1500 kilometers, Harpoon is anti shipping. and around 120 km.
They should have written, 'Harpoon equipped submarines with additional
indigenous cruise missiles.
The subs were/are the third leg of Israel's nuclear delivery capability.

ExpatEgghead

I think you are right. It was the Israeli Popeye Turbo that was
test-fired off South Africa a few years back with German assistance.
The Germans modified the torpedo tubes to be able to fire the cruise
missile. The nuclear sea-capability was already there without the need
for the Harpoon.

Rob

On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:15:54 +0200, "Adrian"
wrote:


"ddd" wrote in message
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Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.



I think they meant Popyeye Turbo cruise missiles. Not Harpoon . Popeye could
be around 1500 kilometers, Harpoon is anti shipping. and around 120 km.
They should have written, 'Harpoon equipped submarines with additional
indigenous cruise missiles.
The subs were/are the third leg of Israel's nuclear delivery capability.

ExpatEgghead

Either way, the thought of a bunch of religious zealots with nukes
scares the daylights out of me.

Al Minyard

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:15:54 +0200, "Adrian"
wrote:


"ddd" wrote in message
...
Israel deploys nuclear arms in submarines

Peter Beaumont in London and Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem
Sunday October 12, 2003
The Observer

Israeli and American officials have admitted collaborating to deploy
US-supplied Harpoon cruise missiles armed with nuclear warheads in
Israel's fleet of Dolphin-class submarines, giving the Middle East's
only nuclear power the ability to strike at any of its Arab neighbours.



I think they meant Popyeye Turbo cruise missiles. Not Harpoon . Popeye could
be around 1500 kilometers, Harpoon is anti shipping. and around 120 km.
They should have written, 'Harpoon equipped submarines with additional
indigenous cruise missiles.
The subs were/are the third leg of Israel's nuclear delivery capability.

ExpatEgghead

Either way, the thought of a bunch of religious zealots with nukes
scares the daylights out of me.

Al Minyard

Are you talking about Israelis or the Bush Administration, Al? If you
are talking about the Israelis you're wrong as usual. Israeli society
is largely secular and their Knesset is always a coalition govt. of
every sort. Your avg Israeli citizen just wants peace with the
Palestinians and in the region. But they aren't stupid enough to
believe Yasser Arafat's lies and ties to Hamas. Once a terrorist,
always a terrorist. So, despite a real yearning for peace most
Israelis must go along with Sharon's military suppression approach
which perpetuates the cycle of violence. Israel is smaller than New
Jersey and giving half of it away to an avowed terrorist with Hamas
connections is akin to national suicide. Sharon is certainly a hawk
but a hawk is needed when there's a snake loose.
Regarding the nuclear sea capability, it was already in place when the
Germans delivered the modified subs. That was years ago and Israel
hasn't fired a shot in anger. So why are you complaining? Russia has
about twice the number of nukes the US has and you don't seem to care
about them. Or how about Iran's religious zealots that are trying to
build one? Or the Communist DPRK that hates the US?
You need to get your priorities straight IMO.

Rob

On 13 Oct 2003 09:25:41 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

Alan Minyard wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:15:54 +0200, "Adrian"
wrote:


"ddd" wrote in message
...

Either way, the thought of a bunch of religious zealots with nukes
scares the daylights out of me.

Al Minyard

Are you talking about Israelis or the Bush Administration, Al? If you
are talking about the Israelis you're wrong as usual. Israeli society
is largely secular and their Knesset is always a coalition govt. of
every sort. Your avg Israeli citizen just wants peace with the
Palestinians and in the region. But they aren't stupid enough to
believe Yasser Arafat's lies and ties to Hamas. Once a terrorist,
always a terrorist


So Begin et al should be imprisoned? After all, they were once
"terrorists".


. So, despite a real yearning for peace most
Israelis must go along with Sharon's military suppression approach
which perpetuates the cycle of violence. Israel is smaller than New
Jersey and giving half of it away to an avowed terrorist with Hamas
connections is akin to national suicide. Sharon is certainly a hawk
but a hawk is needed when there's a snake loose.
Regarding the nuclear sea capability, it was already in place when the
Germans delivered the modified subs. That was years ago and Israel
hasn't fired a shot in anger. So why are you complaining? Russia has
about twice the number of nukes the US has and you don't seem to care
about them. Or how about Iran's religious zealots that are trying to
build one? Or the Communist DPRK that hates the US?
You need to get your priorities straight IMO.

Rob

My priorities are just fine, than you.

Israel is a theocracy, anyone that says otherwise is either a fool or
a liar. There is no nuke warhead for the Harpoon, but any thinking
person would refuse to sell it 9if it existed) to *anyone* in the
Middle East.

Al Minyard

My priorities are just fine, than you.

Israel is a theocracy, anyone that says otherwise is either a fool or
a liar. There is no nuke warhead for the Harpoon, but any thinking
person would refuse to sell it 9if it existed) to *anyone* in the
Middle East.

Al Minyard

Mr. Minyard,

Do you hate Jews or what?

The reason I ask is that I've been to Israel many times in my life and
do not get the impression that you have that they are a bunch of
religious fanatics bent on world destruction.

Israel is a pretty small island of freedom in a vast region of brutal
regimes with oppressive Islamic laws. I would be more worried if
Israel's neighbors got the bomb than Israel possessing a few hundred.

Israel would only use nuclear weapons to protect itself in the event
that the nation was about to fall- as a last resort. But Israel's
neighbors only want to build a bomb to be used against Israel.

I can't believe you would not be against this. You seem to side with
the enemies of peace.

Thank God President Bush is for Israel.

I think you should take a trip to Israel yourself Mr. Minyard and see
what life is like. Talk to an average Israeli family or person in the
street. They don't want war, they want peace. But not at any cost.
Israel is proud of their IDF because most citizens have served in it
for most of their lives. Israel is free largely due to the IDF and the
security of the bomb.

The US and Former Soviet Union never went to war due to MAD, but that
strategy doesn't work in the Middle East. Had Saddam had a bomb he
would have used it against Israel in 1991 even if it meant the
annihilation of Iraq. Such is the hatred of the Jews in the region.

Israel isn't a theocracy but they are justified morally in having the
bomb.

Kenneth Williams

Subject: Better nuke Israel before it is too late
From: ddd
Date: 10/11/03 10:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id:

The unprecedented disclosure came as Israel announced that states
'harbouring terrorists' are legitimate targets, responding to Syria's
declaration of its right to self-defence should Israel bomb its
territory again.

Whistling in the dark Syria is too cowardly to challenge Israel again. That is
why they send in terrorists to do what they are afraid to do.

Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
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