Vril 7 at Arado Brandedburg '44/'45

http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment...otti/vril7.jpg

Interesting pic. The lady in the foreground in the Vril Gesellschaft
medium Sigurn who has been authenticated in other WW2 photos standing
in front of Fw 190 fighters.

Another photo of the Vril 7b in flight:

http://www.reformnetz.de/conspiracy/Vril7Beta.jpg

And another intersting pic of the Hanebau II DoStra in flight:

http://www.reformnetz.de/conspiracy/...-Werksfoto.jpg

Rob

p.s. Please spare the conspiracy comments. It is pretty well known now
that Germany DID build various kinds of circular/disc aircraft during
WW2 and that the USAF admitted this in 1996:

Arthur Sack A.S.6
BMW Flugelrad models I-III
Schauberger Repulsin A & B motors
RFZ, Vril & Hanebau
Wiener-Neustadt Feuerball (aka Foo Fighter)

plus design work and/or wind-tunnel testing of:

Henri Coanda Lenticular Craft
Andreas Epp Omega Discus
Alexander Lippisch Circular Aerodyne
Heinrich Focke Fw VTOL
Focke Wulf VTOL

robert arndt wrote:

http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment...otti/vril7.jpg

Interesting pic. The lady in the foreground in the Vril Gesellschaft
medium Sigurn who has been authenticated in other WW2 photos standing
in front of Fw 190 fighters.

Another photo of the Vril 7b in flight:

http://www.reformnetz.de/conspiracy/Vril7Beta.jpg

And another intersting pic of the Hanebau II DoStra in flight:

http://www.reformnetz.de/conspiracy/...-Werksfoto.jpg

That is a fake photo.

steve gallacci wrote in message ...
robert arndt wrote:

http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment...otti/vril7.jpg

Interesting pic. The lady in the foreground in the Vril Gesellschaft
medium Sigurn who has been authenticated in other WW2 photos standing
in front of Fw 190 fighters.

Another photo of the Vril 7b in flight:

http://www.reformnetz.de/conspiracy/Vril7Beta.jpg

And another intersting pic of the Hanebau II DoStra in flight:

http://www.reformnetz.de/conspiracy/...-Werksfoto.jpg

That is a fake photo.


Here's more for you to browse:

A.S.6: www.luft46.com/misc/as6-1.jpg
Schauberger Repulsin B-Type: www.xpress.se/~jela0218/VSPics/repulsin2.JPG
BMW Flugelrad V-2(?): http://www.mental-ray.de/Mental-Ray/...en/wunder2.gif
JFM: http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment.../otti/rfz7.jpg
RFZ-2: www.ufo.i-pila.pl/ufo/images/v03.JPG
Haunebu I:http://freewebhosting.hostdepartment...i/haunebu1.jpg
Haunebu II: www.ufo.i-pila.pl/ufo/images/v02.JPG
Haunebu II DoStra: http://home.t-online.de/home/home-delta-press/hau.jpg
Omega Diskus: http://fun.supereva.it/arse.freeweb/omega-1.jpg
Fw VTOL test model: www.germanvtol.com/fwvtolfolder/Image6.jpg

Rob

robert arndt wrote:

Here's more for you to browse:

A.S.6: www.luft46.com/misc/as6-1.jpg
[other links snipped]

Just a hint: Repeating fantasies umpteen times doesn't make them any
more real ;-)!

SNCR
Andreas

It's fake? Dang! I wanted to believe in a flying saucer with the USS
Monitor's turret up top. Twin 11 inch muzzle loading black powder
guns, too! What a shock to any fighter making a pass at it!
Walt BJ

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(WaltBJ) wrote:

It's fake? Dang! I wanted to believe in a flying saucer with the USS
Monitor's turret up top. Twin 11 inch muzzle loading black powder
guns, too! What a shock to any fighter making a pass at it!

Smokescreen with every shot...

Andreas Parsch wrote in message ...
robert arndt wrote:

Here's more for you to browse:

A.S.6: www.luft46.com/misc/as6-1.jpg
[other links snipped]

Just a hint: Repeating fantasies umpteen times doesn't make them any
more real ;-)!

SNCR
Andreas

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. In regards to what I posted
let's recap:

Arthur Sack A.S.6: Conventional piston-engined circular research
aircraft. One built and test flown, albeit not successfully. This was
a private venture with no real support. The plane was made largely of
wood, spare parts from a Me-109B, and a low hp Argus engine. It
suffered from misplaced landing gear and despite attempts by even a
Me-163 fighter pilot at Brandis only hopped and crashed a few times
before being cut-up and burned. This aircraft does not represent in
any way the nature of the diversified German disc programs.

Fw VTOL: Verified design by Heinrich Focke and patented in 1939.
Rejected as not practical. Amazing for its time because it was a
turboshaft aircraft with exhaust aux. chambers acting as afterburners.

Omega Diskus: Proposed by Andreas Epps and designed to be powered by 8
Argus engines acting as lift fans plus two rotating Pabst ramjets.
Four models were wind tunnel tested. The propulsion system was
patented by West Germany on April 22, 1956 and offered to the USAF. No
word from the USAF on whether anything came of this...

Viktor Schauberger Repulsin A&B Types: Discoid liquid vortex motors
that utilized air, water, and a crystalline substance channeled
through spiral internal membranes with centrepidal force that created
an artificial vortex of electromagnetic energy. Several models built
and tested under the supervision of the SS Technical Branch. Key
question is if a larger version was installed in the SS Projekt Saucer
program. This is the subject explored in Nick Cook's book "Hunt for
Zero Point".

WNF Feuerball (aka Foo Fighter): Heavily documented burning
spheres/discs that plagued USAAF Bomber Groups from Nov '44 until Apr
'45. Documented by 415th NFS and also observed in Japan in Aug '45,
which only strengthens the belief that therese weapons were German and
supplied to Japan via submarine in frantic technology transfers.
Basically a type of remote controlled disc launched from a modified
SAM launcher the Feuerball carried two radical devices onboard- a
plume sensor and Messerschmitt's electrical field weapon found at
Oberammergau.
The unmanned rotor disc with the fire halo(caused by the rotating
ramjet tip pods)homed onto the bombers engines with the plume & IR
sensors and then approached from behind to within 300 feet of the
bomber. At this point the electrical field weapon disrupted the
bomber's engines causing severe handling problems.
Although no casualties are reported from these incidents the notion
that they were friendly UFOs that tagged along the bombers is false.
They were launched from German-held ground and interfered with the
bombers engines. Amazingly, despite strong documentation AND reporting
in Allied newspapers in Dec '44/Jan '45 there is no official
conclusion on what these were from the USAAF/USAF.

BMW Flugelrad series: Not true flying saucers but jet rotorcraft.
These were constructed with BMW's 003 jet engines which diverted
thrust through a slotted nozzle up into the rotor ring which contained
between 16-32 variable pitch blades depending on the model. At least
three models were flight tested- the Flugelrad V-1 and V-2 plus the
Flugelrad II V-1. The Fluglerad II V-2 was under construction while
the Flugelrad II V-3 was windtunnel testing. The final Flugelrad III
was in the design phase. For the longest time these craft were denied
by the USAF until the late '90s when they were admitted. The USAF to
save face added that they were dangerous flight machines that were
unstabled and mostly tethered... yet the Germans reported that the
first Flugelrad was airborn in Aug '43 from the Czech Aerodrome at
Prag-Kbely. The V-2 flew in 1944 at the Neubiberg Aerodrome near
Munich and the last Flugelrad II V-1 flew at Prag-Kbely in Feb '45
before all the machines were destroyed by the SS prior to the Soviet
advance.

Henri Coanda Lenticular Disc: Coanda was captured in Paris under the
German ocupation and forced to work for the SS on the disc program.
His design, a large lenticular machine using 12 Jumo 004 jet engines
with forked exhaust tips was windtunnel tested by the Germans but
rejected as highly impractical with the scarcity of the Jumo engines.
His propulsion system, however, was validated postwar by the Allied
research services in 1949 and study was undertaken at Cornell
Aeronautical Laboratory with positive results. This information was
passed on by the US to Avro Canada and was incorporated in the failed
VZ-9 Avrocar. As many others now suspect the VZ-9 was designed to fail
while other more advanced military flying machines were being
explored, especially those that originated at Wright Patterson and
stored at MacDill AFB in Fl.

Now we get to the occult stuff and material that is highly
controversial. But one must remember that you cannot seperate the
occult from the Third Reich anymore than you can the holocaust. The
NSDAP(Nazi Party) originated from the Thule Society
(political/pseudo-science) which branched out into the Vril Society
(metaphysics) and which was connected to both the DHvSS (Men of the
Black Stone) and SS which had a Technical Branch (of which the E4 Unit
was a part) an Archeological Branch, and a religious Order. Before WW2
even started mediums from both the Thule and Vril societies were
channeling information from supposedly ET sources for the construction
of an "otherworld flight machine" or JFM (Jenseitsflugmaschine).

JFM: Constructed in 1922 and tested until 1924. Dismantled in 1924 and
eventually stored at Messerschmitt's Augsberg facility. Machine
disappeared and never found. No information exists suggesting that it
worked but afterwards Thule and Vril began construction of the RFZ
(RundFlugZeug) discs RFZ-1 thru 7.

After that, again the mediums channeled information of a crashed alien
craft in the Black Forest, near Freiberg in 1936. The Thule Society
recovered the craft and attempted to reverse engineer it at Himmler's
(a Thule member) castle, which served as an SS religious/occult
experimentation center. From their studies of the craft Thule
supposedly came up with the Tachyonator drive which along with the
Schumann Levitator device allowed a rotating magnetic field. These
devices as well as a mercury fueled engine were incorporated into the
RFZ, Vril, and Haunebu discs.

Some of these discs tested various armament from 7.92mm MGs to 30mm
MK-108 cannon and larger calibres. All proved impractical and no disc
aircraft were ever reported as firing on Allied aircraft.

The big question is what happened to them? This is where the wild
stories begin.

Way back in 1938/39 the Nazis sent expeditions to Tibet and Antartica.
In Antartica they renamed Queen Maud Land as NeuSchwabenland and
marked the territory by air. For years during the war U-boats made
trips to both Antartica and South America... for no rational
explanation. Several U-boats were missing at the surrender in May '45
only to surface months after the war in South America after unloading
cargo. One U-boat which was sunk along the way was carrying 33 tons of
mercury (the fuel for the Vril/Haunebu engines).

These events prompted the US to invade Antartica immediately after WW2
in 1946 with a large miltary force under Byrd. Operation Highjump had
an aircraft carrier, submarine, aircraft, helicopters, 17 supply
ships, and 4000 men. They landed in NeuSchwabenland and for weeks
tried to discover any German buried material or bunkers using aircraft
anomaly detectors. They ran into resistance early on and lost men and
aircraft. The entire operation was described to the public as a
peaceful one that ran into some weather problems and a few fatalities
that forced them to return. Similar "exercises" were carried out
against South American countries suspected of harboring Nazis and
technology.

At the close of WW2, a quarter-million Germans were missing along with
several thousand scientists, engineers, and specialists. Close to 60
U-boats were also unaccounted for. Members of the Thule Society other
than those high-profile Nazis captured were missing as well as the
Vril Society, the mediums Maria Orsitsch and Sigrun, the DhvSS, and
large portions of the SS E.4 Unit. The British captured parts of the
German disc program and Hans Coler's amazing free energy machine, but
could not replicate the German designs. They did allow Coler to build
a new free energy machine that is included in a BIOS report, but even
though it worked the British could not explain "how".

It is my firm opinion that the British handed over these material to
the USAF which replicated the German discs at Wright Patterson and
continued their development into what is flying today. That is
precisely why the German records are still classified.

If the German disc programs are fantasy Andreas please explain the
USAF need to keep thier history classified for 75 years (until 2020).
Please also explain how three different peoples in history ranging
from the ancients to the USAF describe mercury as powering a non-jet
engine to achieve flight? The ancients had the Vimana craft, the
Germans the Vril and Haunebu, and the USAF the TR-3b Astra.

Although we might disagree, as aviation fans, I think we can put aside
our nationalistic differences for the moment and both agree that it
would be nice to know the truth. If given the chance to examine the
documents still classified today would you not eagerly go through them
to discover if these craft existed or not? I would and that's all I'm
saying.

Rob

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The big question is what happened to them? This is where the wild
stories begin.

Way back in 1938/39 the Nazis sent expeditions to Tibet and Antartica.
In Antartica they renamed Queen Maud Land as NeuSchwabenland and
marked the territory by air. For years during the war U-boats made
trips to both Antartica and South America... for no rational
explanation.

You think it irrational that U-boats would try to interdict shipping
from South America ?

The Captain of the Graf Spee didnt as I recall

Several U-boats were missing at the surrender in May '45

Well yes that happens in war


only to surface months after the war in South America after unloading
cargo.

Cite please , I only know of two, U-530 which surrendered in Argentina
in July 1945 and U-977


U-530 left Horten on 3rd March 1945

We know U-977 travelled straight to Argentina from Norway as she left
Norway on 10th May after putting shore those crew who didnt want
to flee to Argentina and as a type VIIC she was hardly a cargo carrier

One U-boat which was sunk along the way was carrying 33 tons of
mercury (the fuel for the Vril/Haunebu engines).


And more to the point was vital to the Japanese war effort



These events prompted the US to invade Antartica immediately after WW2
in 1946 with a large miltary force under Byrd. Operation Highjump had
an aircraft carrier, submarine, aircraft, helicopters, 17 supply
ships, and 4000 men. They landed in NeuSchwabenland and for weeks
tried to discover any German buried material or bunkers using aircraft
anomaly detectors. They ran into resistance early on and lost men and
aircraft. The entire operation was described to the public as a
peaceful one that ran into some weather problems and a few fatalities
that forced them to return. Similar "exercises" were carried out
against South American countries suspected of harboring Nazis and
technology.


Lets count the errors here shall we

1) The expedition


At the close of WW2, a quarter-million Germans were missing along with
several thousand scientists, engineers, and specialists. Close to 60
U-boats were also unaccounted for. Members of the Thule Society other
than those high-profile Nazis captured were missing as well as the
Vril Society, the mediums Maria Orsitsch and Sigrun, the DhvSS, and
large portions of the SS E.4 Unit. The British captured parts of the
German disc program and Hans Coler's amazing free energy machine, but
could not replicate the German designs. They did allow Coler to build
a new free energy machine that is included in a BIOS report, but even
though it worked the British could not explain "how".

It is my firm opinion that the British handed over these material to
the USAF which replicated the German discs at Wright Patterson and
continued their development into what is flying today. That is
precisely why the German records are still classified.

If the German disc programs are fantasy Andreas please explain the
USAF need to keep thier history classified for 75 years (until 2020).
Please also explain how three different peoples in history ranging
from the ancients to the USAF describe mercury as powering a non-jet
engine to achieve flight? The ancients had the Vimana craft, the
Germans the Vril and Haunebu, and the USAF the TR-3b Astra.

Although we might disagree, as aviation fans, I think we can put aside
our nationalistic differences for the moment and both agree that it
would be nice to know the truth. If given the chance to examine the
documents still classified today would you not eagerly go through them
to discover if these craft existed or not? I would and that's all I'm
saying.

Rob

"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Andreas Parsch wrote in message
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robert arndt wrote:

Way back in 1938/39 the Nazis sent expeditions to Tibet and Antartica.
In Antartica they renamed Queen Maud Land as NeuSchwabenland and
marked the territory by air. For years during the war U-boats made
trips to both Antartica and South America... for no rational
explanation.

You think it irrational that U-boats would try to interdict shipping
from South America ?

The Captain of the Graf Spee didnt as I recall

Several U-boats were missing at the surrender in May '45

Well yes that happens in war


only to surface months after the war in South America after unloading
cargo. One U-boat which was sunk along the way was carrying 33 tons of
mercury (the fuel for the Vril/Haunebu engines).


Cite please , I only know of two, U-530 which surrendered in Argentina
in July 1945 and U-977


U-530 left Horten on 3rd March 1945 and like U-977 its crew decided
to surrender in friendly Argentina rather than return to an uncertain
future in Germany

We know U-977 travelled straight to Argentina from Norway as she left
Norway on 10th May after putting shore those crew who didnt want
to flee to Argentina and as a type VIIC she was hardly a cargo carrier
Her crew's interrogation is available on-line at

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-977INT.htm

A remarkable story but UFO's are not involved


Keith

"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Andreas Parsch wrote in message
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robert arndt wrote:

Here's more for you to browse:

A.S.6: www.luft46.com/misc/as6-1.jpg
[other links snipped]

Just a hint: Repeating fantasies umpteen times doesn't make them any
more real ;-)!

SNCR
Andreas

(snip)

These events prompted the US to invade Antartica immediately after WW2
in 1946 with a large miltary force under Byrd. Operation Highjump had
an aircraft carrier, submarine, aircraft, helicopters, 17 supply
ships, and 4000 men. They landed in NeuSchwabenland and for weeks
tried to discover any German buried material or bunkers using aircraft
anomaly detectors. They ran into resistance early on and lost men and
aircraft.

Are you suggesting there were Nazis in Antarctica, fighting on after 1945?
Seems a little far-fetched...

The entire operation was described to the public as a
peaceful one that ran into some weather problems and a few fatalities
that forced them to return. Similar "exercises" were carried out
against South American countries suspected of harboring Nazis and
technology.

Now that I seriously doubt. Apart from anything else the US, USSR and other
victorious powers had their own Nazi scientists who they were trying to pump
for knowledge. Do you have a cite for this or is it just fantasy?


At the close of WW2, a quarter-million Germans were missing along with
several thousand scientists, engineers, and specialists. Close to 60
U-boats were also unaccounted for. Members of the Thule Society other
than those high-profile Nazis captured were missing as well as the
Vril Society, the mediums Maria Orsitsch and Sigrun, the DhvSS, and
large portions of the SS E.4 Unit. The British captured parts of the
German disc program and Hans Coler's amazing free energy machine, but
could not replicate the German designs. They did allow Coler to build
a new free energy machine that is included in a BIOS report, but even
though it worked the British could not explain "how".

This I suspect is balderdash. There is no such thing as 'free energy'.

It is my firm opinion that the British handed over these material to
the USAF which replicated the German discs at Wright Patterson and
continued their development into what is flying today. That is
precisely why the German records are still classified.

If the German disc programs are fantasy Andreas please explain the
USAF need to keep thier history classified for 75 years (until 2020).

Paranoia?

Please also explain how three different peoples in history ranging
from the ancients to the USAF describe mercury as powering a non-jet
engine to achieve flight? The ancients had the Vimana craft, the
Germans the Vril and Haunebu, and the USAF the TR-3b Astra.

Coincidence?

Although we might disagree, as aviation fans, I think we can put aside
our nationalistic differences for the moment and both agree that it
would be nice to know the truth. If given the chance to examine the
documents still classified today would you not eagerly go through them
to discover if these craft existed or not? I would and that's all I'm
saying.

No it isn't, you're saying lots of other things, little or none of which I
suspect is true.

John