Lockheed Martin completes first F-16I for Israel

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ss/7264071.htm
"The range ability increases dramatically. It allows us to reach any
place in the Middle East," he said. "It's a very sophisticated
aircraft that allows us to do almost anything."

Yes, but are they nuke capable?

-HJC

On 16 Nov 2003 08:48:24 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ss/7264071.htm
"The range ability increases dramatically. It allows us to reach any
place in the Middle East," he said. "It's a very sophisticated
aircraft that allows us to do almost anything."

Yes, but are they nuke capable?


Without knowing the requirements for Israeli nukes it's impossible to
say. Just because US aircraft require dedicated circuitry doesn't
mean the rest of the world does.

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
...
On 16 Nov 2003 08:48:24 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ss/7264071.htm
"The range ability increases dramatically. It allows us to reach any
place in the Middle East," he said. "It's a very sophisticated
aircraft that allows us to do almost anything."

Yes, but are they nuke capable?


Without knowing the requirements for Israeli nukes it's impossible to
say. Just because US aircraft require dedicated circuitry doesn't
mean the rest of the world does.

lun

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:44:41 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
.. .
On 16 Nov 2003 08:48:24 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ss/7264071.htm
"The range ability increases dramatically. It allows us to reach any
place in the Middle East," he said. "It's a very sophisticated
aircraft that allows us to do almost anything."

Yes, but are they nuke capable?


Without knowing the requirements for Israeli nukes it's impossible to
say. Just because US aircraft require dedicated circuitry doesn't
mean the rest of the world does.

lun



Maybe you could enlighten us with more of your "expertise"?

Scott Ferrin wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 10:44:41 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
.. .
On 16 Nov 2003 08:48:24 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ss/7264071.htm
"The range ability increases dramatically. It allows us to reach any
place in the Middle East," he said. "It's a very sophisticated
aircraft that allows us to do almost anything."

Yes, but are they nuke capable?


Without knowing the requirements for Israeli nukes it's impossible to
say. Just because US aircraft require dedicated circuitry doesn't
mean the rest of the world does.

lun



Maybe you could enlighten us with more of your "expertise"?

The nuke question is an easy one. The Jerusalem Post reported that
both the F-15 and 16 "I" versions are primarily intended for reaching
Iran in the event that Israel has to launch a pre-emptive strike on
their nuclear program. Iran is 1,300 km away.
A while back F-15I aircraft flew to Poland which was 1,600 km away,
proving the capability.
As far as the nukes are concerned, it is a given as these aircraft are
regarded as "strategic" weapons in the eyes of the Jewish State.

Rob

(guaranteed response by Tom Cooper anticipated)

Scott Ferrin wrote in message . ..
On 16 Nov 2003 08:48:24 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ss/7264071.htm
"The range ability increases dramatically. It allows us to reach any
place in the Middle East," he said. "It's a very sophisticated
aircraft that allows us to do almost anything."

Yes, but are they nuke capable?

Without knowing the requirements for Israeli nukes it's impossible to
say. Just because US aircraft require dedicated circuitry doesn't
mean the rest of the world does.

Well, there's lots of stuff you'll want on any nuclear bomb equiped
aircraft.

Hardened electronics, flash protection (even what color the planes are
painted can tell you a lot), inertial navigation, etc.

-HJC

On 16 Nov 2003 14:59:43 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

Scott Ferrin wrote in message . ..
On 16 Nov 2003 08:48:24 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ss/7264071.htm
"The range ability increases dramatically. It allows us to reach any
place in the Middle East," he said. "It's a very sophisticated
aircraft that allows us to do almost anything."

Yes, but are they nuke capable?

Without knowing the requirements for Israeli nukes it's impossible to
say. Just because US aircraft require dedicated circuitry doesn't
mean the rest of the world does.

Well, there's lots of stuff you'll want on any nuclear bomb equiped
aircraft.

Hardened electronics, flash protection (even what color the planes are
painted can tell you a lot), inertial navigation, etc.

Right but that doesn't mean Israel's needs to be the same as the US's.
They have their own avionics companies that aren't exactly amateurs
and they could just take the F-16's the US sells them and add their
own nuclear specific electronics.

In article ,
(Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

Scott Ferrin wrote in message
. ..
On 16 Nov 2003 08:48:24 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ss/7264071.htm
"The range ability increases dramatically. It allows us to reach any
place in the Middle East," he said. "It's a very sophisticated
aircraft that allows us to do almost anything."

Yes, but are they nuke capable?

Without knowing the requirements for Israeli nukes it's impossible to
say. Just because US aircraft require dedicated circuitry doesn't
mean the rest of the world does.

Well, there's lots of stuff you'll want on any nuclear bomb equiped
aircraft.

Hardened electronics, flash protection (even what color the planes are
painted can tell you a lot), inertial navigation, etc.

I've worked on lots of military aircraft, but only one had a req't for
hardened electronics. Several others were nuc capable, too.

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur

(Harry Andreas) wrote in message ...
In article ,
(Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

Scott Ferrin wrote in message
. ..
On 16 Nov 2003 08:48:24 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald...ss/7264071.htm
"The range ability increases dramatically. It allows us to reach any
place in the Middle East," he said. "It's a very sophisticated
aircraft that allows us to do almost anything."

Yes, but are they nuke capable?

Without knowing the requirements for Israeli nukes it's impossible to
say. Just because US aircraft require dedicated circuitry doesn't
mean the rest of the world does.

Well, there's lots of stuff you'll want on any nuclear bomb equiped
aircraft.

Hardened electronics, flash protection (even what color the planes are
painted can tell you a lot), inertial navigation, etc.

I've worked on lots of military aircraft, but only one had a req't for
hardened electronics. Several others were nuc capable, too.


Surely that massive wooden structure at Kirtland was not built to test
a single aircraft design?

I would imagine that at least all of the command related aircraft have
some EMP hardeining measures included in their design, as would most
combat aircraft, especially those with a nuclear delivery mission.
Heck, hardeing to some degree is required just to protect from
lightning strike effects.

[Regarding the VH-60 version of the Blackhawk] "...The VIP transport
is designed with maximum survivability, range, and communications
capabilities while providing professional and comfortable
accommodation. Systems include; executive interior with sound
dampening and an improved environmental control system, additional
armor and EMP hardening..."

unsd.macrossrpg.com/blackhawkhelicopter.html

Brooks

In article ,
(Kevin Brooks) wrote:

I've worked on lots of military aircraft, but only one had a req't for
hardened electronics. Several others were nuc capable, too.


Surely that massive wooden structure at Kirtland was not built to test
a single aircraft design?

I would imagine that at least all of the command related aircraft have
some EMP hardeining measures included in their design, as would most
combat aircraft, especially those with a nuclear delivery mission.
Heck, hardeing to some degree is required just to protect from
lightning strike effects.

[Regarding the VH-60 version of the Blackhawk] "...The VIP transport
is designed with maximum survivability, range, and communications
capabilities while providing professional and comfortable
accommodation. Systems include; executive interior with sound
dampening and an improved environmental control system, additional
armor and EMP hardening..."

Suit yourself. I design electronics systems for military aircraft for a
living, including radar, EO, EW, and recently, GPS.
Out of 17 different systems I have worked on, and probably another
20 proposals, only 1 aircraft had a requirement for "nuclear
hardening", which is different from EMP, by the way.

I hate those "show me your qualifications" emails, but I wonder
if you've done similar work?

--
Harry Andreas
Engineering raconteur