Are we beginning to see the secondaries? Libya to abandom WMD

It is now on record that Libya earlier this year admitted to having WMD
programs, invited in inspectors and will dismantle the programs:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3335965.stm

Is this the beginning of the useful changes in the middle east that
some suggested would follow the "more active" approach taken
in dealing with terrorist states?

It will be nice to see all countries with declared WMD (i.e. US, UK, Russia,
China, France, Israel, India, Pakistan) following Libya's moral example!!!

David
(from South Africa, the only country to independantly dismatle its
operational nuclear weapons program)

"John Keeney" wrote in message
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It is now on record that Libya earlier this year admitted to having WMD
programs, invited in inspectors and will dismantle the programs:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3335965.stm

Is this the beginning of the useful changes in the middle east that
some suggested would follow the "more active" approach taken
in dealing with terrorist states?

Why? Are you worried those nations you cited will nuke your country?

More likely, South Africa could get into a war against a neighboring country
and that country might obtain nukes (from another countries' secret weapons
program) and flatten Johannesberg. Then again, maybe that wouldn't be such a
bad thing. But the problem there, is that such weapons could be used against
other targets too. More important ones. A much greater danger than those
countries you mentioned.


"David Nicholls" wrote in message
...
It will be nice to see all countries with declared WMD (i.e. US, UK,
Russia,
China, France, Israel, India, Pakistan) following Libya's moral example!!!

David
(from South Africa, the only country to independantly dismatle its
operational nuclear weapons program)

"John Keeney" wrote in message
...
It is now on record that Libya earlier this year admitted to having WMD
programs, invited in inspectors and will dismantle the programs:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3335965.stm

Is this the beginning of the useful changes in the middle east that
some suggested would follow the "more active" approach taken
in dealing with terrorist states?

It will be nice to see all countries with declared WMD (i.e. US, UK, Russia,
China, France, Israel, India, Pakistan) following Libya's moral example!!!


The US, UK and Russia have all deactivated and are destroying their Chemical &
Biological weapons.

(from South Africa, the only country to independantly dismatle its
operational nuclear weapons program)

You really don't expect a pat on the back do you? You guys never needed nuclear
weapons anyway, all you needed were a few dozen white police officers with
battons, a ghetto and several hundred of your fellow (darker) countrymen.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

David


"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
...
It will be nice to see all countries with declared WMD (i.e. US, UK,
Russia,
China, France, Israel, India, Pakistan) following Libya's moral
example!!!


The US, UK and Russia have all deactivated and are destroying their
Chemical &
Biological weapons.


In terms of the US removing their chemical weapons program they have stopped
the Chemical Weapon Convention proposed inspections of potential sites
wthout warning, because the US would not tolerate them. It also forced the
change of the head of the organisation because he did not realise that the
US was above suspicison! It is of note that the only state on earth
publically funding advanced "war fighting" nuclear weapons (with the passage
of the recent bill through congress) is the US, with the specific aim of
using them against states that have not used nuclear weapons against the US.

(from South Africa, the only country to independantly dismatle its
operational nuclear weapons program)

You really don't expect a pat on the back do you? You guys never needed
nuclear
weapons anyway, all you needed were a few dozen white police officers with
battons, a ghetto and several hundred of your fellow (darker) countrymen.


South Africa was facing in Angola some 50,000 Cuban troops (plus Russian
advisors) by 1989. While there was never a military "defeat" of South
African troops the problem was a threat of a major power getting involved.
(For those who believe otherwise the South African combat deaths in the last
year of the Angolan war was ~35, of whom 22 died when a Cuban bomb missed
its target (a dam) and hit an undetected military position). Under those
conditions the presence of a nuclear capability would have probably
"detered" such an intevention by a major power. If Saddam Hussein had
detonated a test nuclear device in the Iraqi desert 2 weeks after invading
Kuwait in 1990 there would have been a diplomatic solution - no US president
would risk the threat of a nuclear strike on US troops or the US mainland
(delivered by container ship?).

BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it
harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

David Nicholls wrote:

snip If Saddam Hussein had
detonated a test nuclear device in the Iraqi desert 2 weeks after invading
Kuwait in 1990 there would have been a diplomatic solution - no US president
would risk the threat of a nuclear strike on US troops or the US mainland
(delivered by container ship?).

I think Israel would have had no compunction and would have wasted no
time in pre-empting any Iraqi action by any means they thought
necessary, just as they had when they hit the reactor construction at
Osiraq in 1981. There would have been no coalition that included other
Arab states, but Iraq would likely have withdrawn from Kuwait.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

It is of note that the only state on earth
publically funding advanced "war fighting" nuclear weapons (with the passage
of the recent bill through congress) is the US, with the specific aim of
using them against states that have not used nuclear weapons against the US.

Interesting in that you, from South Africa, know for a fact what the United
States Department of Defense is planning for future use of nuclear weapons.
Meanwhile I, a member of US DoD, having spent my whole career with exposure to
nuclear war plans, could only speculate on the future plans. Boy are you
gifted.

Face it, you're clueless.

The recent bill passed through Congress funds the resumption of sub-critical
testing. This testing is useful in the design and testing of new warhead
designs. Why would we want new warheads? Because some of the older ones are
approaching 30 years old. Nothing more, nothing less.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:17:38 +0200, "David Nicholls"
wrote:



If Saddam Hussein had
detonated a test nuclear device in the Iraqi desert 2 weeks after invading
Kuwait in 1990 there would have been a diplomatic solution - no US president
would risk the threat of a nuclear strike on US troops or the US mainland
(delivered by container ship?).

Oh really ? Leaving out the fact that the israelis had jets loaded with
special weapons on QRA as a response to incoming scuds being tipped with
CBW.

One can pretty much guarantee that approximately 30 mins after the
denotation of this 'test nuclear device' Jerichos would have turned iraq
into a radioactive car park.

You ignore the *very* public warning given to the iraqi regime w.r.t the
consequences of using CBW on coalition forces.



greg


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I said just eat my burger, baby,make you smart as Charlie Chan.
You say the hot sauce can't be beat. Sit back and open wide.

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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:17:38 +0200, "David Nicholls"
wrote:



If Saddam Hussein had
detonated a test nuclear device in the Iraqi desert 2 weeks after invading
Kuwait in 1990 there would have been a diplomatic solution - no US president
would risk the threat of a nuclear strike on US troops or the US mainland
(delivered by container ship?).

Oh really ? Leaving out the fact that the israelis had jets loaded with
special weapons on QRA as a response to incoming scuds being tipped with
CBW.

One can pretty much guarantee that approximately 30 mins after the
denotation of this 'test nuclear device' Jerichos would have turned iraq
into a radioactive car park.

You ignore the *very* public warning given to the iraqi regime w.r.t the
consequences of using CBW on coalition forces.



greg





That was actually one of my fears in the latest conflict. If Saddam
decided to commit suicide in a blaze of nuclear smoke. He fires a few
scuds loaded with anthrax into a few Israeli city and waits for an
Allied response.



--
The rich and the poor want the same thing, money.

21st saying of Bernard

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:17:38 +0200, "David Nicholls"
wrote:



David


"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
...
It will be nice to see all countries with declared WMD (i.e. US, UK,
Russia,
China, France, Israel, India, Pakistan) following Libya's moral
example!!!


The US, UK and Russia have all deactivated and are destroying their
Chemical &
Biological weapons.


In terms of the US removing their chemical weapons program they have stopped
the Chemical Weapon Convention proposed inspections of potential sites
wthout warning, because the US would not tolerate them. It also forced the
change of the head of the organisation because he did not realise that the
US was above suspicison!

Most of the chemical weapons the US has I wouldn't even dare to put on
a plane if it were up to me. They're OLD. We were going to build
binary munitions but I think it got canned. Also a place where they
destroy them (Dugway) is a few dozen miles away and there for a couple
years it was ALWAYS in the local news.


Bottom of this page

http://www.stimson.org/cbw/?sn=CB20011219104


It also mentions production facilities


Also this one

http://www.cpeo.org/lists/military/1996/msg00296.html

This is interesting:

"Table 1. LOCATIONS WITH KNOWN OR POSSIBLE BURIED CHEMICAL WARFARE
MATERIEL1"

Possible???? The document is from the US Army.