Did the F/A-22 Raptor turn the corner in 2003?

http://globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040104-f-22.htm
"They're just trying to find a role for this plane because they've
sunk so much money into it," Riccioni said.

-HJC

"Henry J. Cobb" wrote in message
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"They're just trying to find a role for this plane because they've
sunk so much money into it," Riccioni said.

"The way Air Force officials and Lockheed Martin executives tell it, 2003
marked a turning point in the development of the F/A-22 Raptor fighter jet.
"

Odd that, considering 2003 saw tail delamination, departure from controlled
flight, failure to integrate the joint standoff munition and continueing
problems integrating weapons sensors. Especailly with Congress offering the
program one year to get their act together, with the passage of the FY04
budget.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:12:51 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Henry J. Cobb" wrote in message
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"They're just trying to find a role for this plane because they've
sunk so much money into it," Riccioni said.

"The way Air Force officials and Lockheed Martin executives tell it, 2003
marked a turning point in the development of the F/A-22 Raptor fighter jet.
"

Odd that, considering 2003 saw tail delamination, departure from controlled
flight, failure to integrate the joint standoff munition and continueing
problems integrating weapons sensors. Especailly with Congress offering the
program one year to get their act together, with the passage of the FY04
budget.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.




Right on schedule.

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:12:51 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
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"Henry J. Cobb" wrote in message
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http://globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040104-f-22.htm
"They're just trying to find a role for this plane because they've
sunk so much money into it," Riccioni said.

"The way Air Force officials and Lockheed Martin executives tell it, 2003
marked a turning point in the development of the F/A-22 Raptor fighter
jet.
"

Odd that, considering 2003 saw tail delamination, departure from
controlled
flight, failure to integrate the joint standoff munition and continueing
problems integrating weapons sensors. Especailly with Congress offering
the
program one year to get their act together, with the passage of the FY04
budget.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Right on schedule.

So now the F-22 program has gone from "there is no problem" to "we have
turned the program around. Were they lying before, or now. (ie both)

On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:51:22 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 16:12:51 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
wrote:


"Henry J. Cobb" wrote in message
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http://globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040104-f-22.htm
"They're just trying to find a role for this plane because they've
sunk so much money into it," Riccioni said.

"The way Air Force officials and Lockheed Martin executives tell it, 2003
marked a turning point in the development of the F/A-22 Raptor fighter
jet.
"

Odd that, considering 2003 saw tail delamination, departure from
controlled
flight, failure to integrate the joint standoff munition and continueing
problems integrating weapons sensors. Especailly with Congress offering
the
program one year to get their act together, with the passage of the FY04
budget.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Right on schedule.

So now the F-22 program has gone from "there is no problem" to "we have
turned the program around. Were they lying before, or now. (ie both)


I'd have to say it depends on how long passed inbetween the statements
and what they meant when they said "problem". Was it three our four
years and there was no problem they were aware of, then they found
some, and then they fixed them? Were they saying "no problem" for the
media because the media would take all the little kinks that get
worked out in the flight test problem as being major problems as they
have in the past with the "flammable aluminum Bradleys"? Joe blow on
the street doesn't know the difference between show-stoppers and the
normal working-the-bugs-out process. The thing is the scenario you
lay out could be argued either way. Think of it like this. Even if
the F-22A has problems as you've suggested in the past, the USAF
*still* wants them over any alternative despite their high cost. Why
is that? If it was soley in the interest of keeping jobs they'd can
the F-22 and have Boeing cranking out F-15s. But they're not. The
military has cancelled stuff before that they wanted but were not
living up to their promises. The A-12, Sgt, York, and TSSAM come to
mind.

But they're not. The
military has cancelled stuff before that they wanted but were not
living up to their promises. The A-12, Sgt, York, and TSSAM come to
mind.

Now even Air Force wants to get rid of Jurassicfighter.
It was aready too late for cancellation in year 2001,thats the only reason why
it survived up to now.

"Scott Ferrin" wrote in message
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:51:22 -0800, "Tarver Engineering"
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"Henry J. Cobb" wrote in message
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http://globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040104-f-22.htm
"They're just trying to find a role for this plane because they've
sunk so much money into it," Riccioni said.

"The way Air Force officials and Lockheed Martin executives tell it,
2003
marked a turning point in the development of the F/A-22 Raptor fighter
jet.
"

Odd that, considering 2003 saw tail delamination, departure from
controlled
flight, failure to integrate the joint standoff munition and
continueing
problems integrating weapons sensors. Especailly with Congress
offering
the
program one year to get their act together, with the passage of the
FY04
budget.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

Right on schedule.

So now the F-22 program has gone from "there is no problem" to "we have
turned the program around. Were they lying before, or now. (ie both)


I'd have to say it depends on how long passed inbetween the statements
and what they meant when they said "problem".

Jesus, Ferrin, what are you smoking?

They're just trying to find a role for this plane because they've
sunk so much money into it," Riccioni said.

I think EF-22 could be a perfect ECM plane,but if everything else fails we have
still Smithsonian for the Jurassicfighter.

"Denyav" wrote in message
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They're just trying to find a role for this plane because they've
sunk so much money into it," Riccioni said.

I think EF-22 could be a perfect ECM plane,but if everything else fails we
have
still Smithsonian for the Jurassicfighter.

Lockmart did things a little differently with the F-22 development and in
doing so validated the old school way.

On 4 Jan 2004 14:13:53 -0800, (Henry J. Cobb) wrote:

http://globalsecurity.org/org/news/2004/040104-f-22.htm
"They're just trying to find a role for this plane because they've
sunk so much money into it," Riccioni said.

Ed's a nice guy, but he's spent his lifetime advocating light-weight
fighters. He was an original member of the LWF mafia, back in the
pre-YF-12/YF-17 days. He's just a little biased on the subject.

Mary

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Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer