WWII Aircraft still useful

Suppose someone was willing to give a modern air force a bunch of
planes from WWII. The Luftwaffe can have several hundred
Fw-190s. The US can have a pile of Catalina's (or DC-3s). The British can
have as many Mosquitoes as they want.

Are there any WWII aircraft that could still be useful in a modern
war? Can a Fw-190 compete with an A-10/AH-64 if we're giving
away Fw-190s? Can a B-29 do the same mission as an MC-130,
if we're giving away B-29s but you still have to maintain them?

Is there any WWII aircraft that would still be useful today?

Are there any WWII aircraft that could still be useful in a modern
war?

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"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message
...
Suppose someone was willing to give a modern air force a bunch of
planes from WWII. The Luftwaffe can have several hundred
Fw-190s. The US can have a pile of Catalina's (or DC-3s). The British
can
have as many Mosquitoes as they want.

Are there any WWII aircraft that could still be useful in a modern
war?

Against a modern air defence system ?

Nope

Can a Fw-190 compete with an A-10/AH-64 if we're giving
away Fw-190s?

Unguided rockets and bombs that require you overfly
the target versus FLIR packages and guided weapons.
What do you think ?

Can a B-29 do the same mission as an MC-130,
if we're giving away B-29s but you still have to maintain them?


Nope


Is there any WWII aircraft that would still be useful today?


DC-3 for transport usage

Keith

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message
...
Suppose someone was willing to give a modern air force a bunch of
planes from WWII. The Luftwaffe can have several hundred
Fw-190s. The US can have a pile of Catalina's (or DC-3s). The British
can
have as many Mosquitoes as they want.

Are there any WWII aircraft that could still be useful in a modern
war?

Against a modern air defence system ?

Nope


Keith

Again, more words of ignorance spoken like the non-authority Keith is.
Hey Keith, it has already been done. On May 28, 1987 Matthias Rust, a
West German amatuer pilot, took his unarmed Cessna and flew 400 miles
through the USSR's air defenses (the world's greatest)to land on Red
Square.
We all know that if he had carried a nuke Moscow would have been
history.
No US military pilot had ever or will ever accomplish a similar feat.

Rob

God, I love proving Keith wrong. By all means Keith, keep saying
"No/Nope"

"robert arndt" wrote in message
om...
"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
...
"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message
...
Suppose someone was willing to give a modern air force a bunch of
planes from WWII. The Luftwaffe can have several hundred
Fw-190s. The US can have a pile of Catalina's (or DC-3s). The
British
can
have as many Mosquitoes as they want.

Are there any WWII aircraft that could still be useful in a modern
war?

Against a modern air defence system ?

Nope


Keith

Again, more words of ignorance spoken like the non-authority Keith is.
Hey Keith, it has already been done. On May 28, 1987 Matthias Rust, a
West German amatuer pilot, took his unarmed Cessna and flew 400 miles
through the USSR's air defenses (the world's greatest)to land on Red
Square.
We all know that if he had carried a nuke Moscow would have been
history.

I doubt you would volunteer to fly a Cessna into combat
in a modern air defence environment, I know I wouldnt

No US military pilot had ever or will ever accomplish a similar feat.


I would sincerely hope not. I dont relish the prospect
of global nuclear war.

Keith

From: (robert arndt)
Date: 1/9/2004 8:49 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
.. .
"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message
...
Suppose someone was willing to give a modern air force a bunch of
planes from WWII. The Luftwaffe can have several hundred
Fw-190s. The US can have a pile of Catalina's (or DC-3s). The British
can
have as many Mosquitoes as they want.

Are there any WWII aircraft that could still be useful in a modern
war?

Against a modern air defence system ?

Nope


Keith

Again, more words of ignorance spoken like the non-authority Keith is.
Hey Keith, it has already been done. On May 28, 1987 Matthias Rust, a
West German amatuer pilot, took his unarmed Cessna and flew 400 miles
through the USSR's air defenses (the world's greatest)to land on Red
Square.
We all know that if he had carried a nuke Moscow would have been
history.
No US military pilot had ever or will ever accomplish a similar feat.

Rob

God, I love proving Keith wrong. By all means Keith, keep saying
"No/Nope"


If you checked the radii of the Soviet air defense radar at different altitudes
you would see it was only at low altitude like Rust used. Now then, the
question was WW2 aircraft. Rust used a post war airplane with limited payload.
Let's assume he flew a nuke in and blew Red Square apart. Gee, what an
accomplishment to start WW3. It was an entirely impractical act. If you are
going to give an example make it valid.

BTW, I believe Rust went nuts and stabbed someone about 10 years ago.


No US military pilot had ever or will ever accomplish a similar feat.

U.S. Military pilots have been doing similar things during time of war for
decades. Prove me wrong.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

Again, more words of ignorance spoken like the non-authority Keith is.
Hey Keith, it has already been done. On May 28, 1987 Matthias Rust, a
West German amatuer pilot, took his unarmed Cessna and flew 400 miles
through the USSR's air defenses (the world's greatest)to land on Red
Square.
We all know that if he had carried a nuke Moscow would have been
history.
No US military pilot had ever or will ever accomplish a similar feat.

Rob

God, I love proving Keith wrong. By all means Keith, keep saying
"No/Nope"


If you checked the radii of the Soviet air defense radar at different altitudes
you would see it was only at low altitude like Rust used. Now then, the
question was WW2 aircraft. Rust used a post war airplane with limited payload.
Let's assume he flew a nuke in and blew Red Square apart. Gee, what an
accomplishment to start WW3. It was an entirely impractical act. If you are
going to give an example make it valid.

BTW, I believe Rust went nuts and stabbed someone about 10 years ago.


No US military pilot had ever or will ever accomplish a similar feat.

U.S. Military pilots have been doing similar things during time of war for
decades. Prove me wrong.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

What US military pilot flew through 400 miles of the USSR's air
defense network and landed in Red Square? Even the SR-71 was reduced
to spying with side-looking cameras outside Soviet airspace.
Done.

Rob

From: (robert arndt)
Date: 1/10/2004 9:07 AM Central Standard Time
Message-id:

Again, more words of ignorance spoken like the non-authority Keith is.
Hey Keith, it has already been done. On May 28, 1987 Matthias Rust, a
West German amatuer pilot, took his unarmed Cessna and flew 400 miles
through the USSR's air defenses (the world's greatest)to land on Red
Square.
We all know that if he had carried a nuke Moscow would have been
history.
No US military pilot had ever or will ever accomplish a similar feat.

Rob

God, I love proving Keith wrong. By all means Keith, keep saying
"No/Nope"


If you checked the radii of the Soviet air defense radar at different
altitudes
you would see it was only at low altitude like Rust used. Now then, the
question was WW2 aircraft. Rust used a post war airplane with limited
payload.
Let's assume he flew a nuke in and blew Red Square apart. Gee, what an
accomplishment to start WW3. It was an entirely impractical act. If you are
going to give an example make it valid.

BTW, I believe Rust went nuts and stabbed someone about 10 years ago.


No US military pilot had ever or will ever accomplish a similar feat.

U.S. Military pilots have been doing similar things during time of war for
decades. Prove me wrong.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

What US military pilot flew through 400 miles of the USSR's air
defense network and landed in Red Square? Even the SR-71 was reduced
to spying with side-looking cameras outside Soviet airspace.
Done.

Rob

I said similar, not same.

I suggest you look at Bird Dog missions during Viet Nam and similar in WW2 and
Korea.

The Soviets DID track him but he was not worth shooting down.

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

(robert arndt) writes:
Again, more words of ignorance spoken like the non-authority Keith is.
Hey Keith, it has already been done. On May 28, 1987 Matthias Rust, a
West German amatuer pilot, took his unarmed Cessna and flew 400 miles
through the USSR's air defenses (the world's greatest)to land on Red
Square.

When Rust did this wery flight, he took off at Helsinki, flew along
the Gulf of Finland to Leningrad (now St Petersburg), then sought
the railway track going to Moscow, which is practically very much
a straight line, and simply flew along the track to Moscow.

When Rust was flying somewhere close to Leningrad, he was catched
by two MiGs. The MiGs spinned for a while around the Cessna and
then simply let it be. I guess that a lonely Cessna was a very
confusing sight to MiG pilots and their commanders just did'n know
what to do.

Just a few years before there had been the shameful tragedy when
soviet fighter shot down the korean passenger plane on the Japan Sea.
I think that soviets wanted to avoid, as much as ever possible,
anything like that happening again. Maybe this was a major
reason why an odd Cessna could fly straight through soviet
defence.
--
Walter

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004 10:49:16 -0000, "Keith Willshaw" wrote:


"Charles Talleyrand" wrote in message
...
Suppose someone was willing to give a modern air force a bunch of
planes from WWII. The Luftwaffe can have several hundred
Fw-190s. The US can have a pile of Catalina's (or DC-3s). The British
can
have as many Mosquitoes as they want.

Are there any WWII aircraft that could still be useful in a modern
war?

Against a modern air defence system ?

Nope

Can a Fw-190 compete with an A-10/AH-64 if we're giving
away Fw-190s?

Unguided rockets and bombs that require you overfly
the target versus FLIR packages and guided weapons.
What do you think ?

Can a B-29 do the same mission as an MC-130,
if we're giving away B-29s but you still have to maintain them?


Nope


Is there any WWII aircraft that would still be useful today?


DC-3 for transport usage

Keith

Piper Cub. I don't know what you could use it for, but it
sure is fun :-)

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