a big question with a million answers

ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once solo
so
look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
experience
so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on
i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able to
take that
in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every glider
made
as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
views

kind regards
colin

Colin McGinn wrote:
ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once solo
so
look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
experience
so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on
i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able to
take that
in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every glider
made
as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
views

kind regards
colin

You'll find some basic info about and pictures of most types at:
http://www.sailplanedirectory.com/Directory.cfm

[quote=Ed Winchester;632624]Colin McGinn wrote:
ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once solo
so
look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
experience
so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on
i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able to
take that
in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every glider
made
as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
views

kind regards
colin



Hi Colin, Welcome!

Since you are a couple
and you like acro
and you dont state how poor you are
Go buy a DG1000

http://www.dg-flugzeugbau.de/prospekte-e.html

If this doesnt suit, tell us how much you want to spend, your lacation in the world and any other goals you have and the RAS group may be able to point you a little more accurately.

Also,

Ask you CFI



Bagger

At 11:25 20 May 2008, Colin McGinn wrote:
ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once
solo
so
look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
experience
so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on
i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able
to
take that
in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every
glider
made
as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
views

kind regards
colin



i cant believe no one has any comments ??

On May 20, 8:10 am, Colin McGinn
wrote:
At 11:25 20 May 2008, Colin McGinn wrote:



ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once
solo
so
look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
experience
so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on
i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able
to
take that
in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every
glider
made
as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
views

kind regards
colin

i cant believe no one has any comments ??

I think that is because we beat it up to death....

jk

On May 20, 8:10 am, Colin McGinn
wrote:
At 11:25 20 May 2008, Colin McGinn wrote:



ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once
solo
so
look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
experience
so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on
i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able
to
take that
in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every
glider
made
as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
views

kind regards
colin

i cant believe no one has any comments ??

Hi Colin,

Get an SZD-59 if you can find one! It's very docile, has 40/1 and can
accept 150 liters of water with the 15m tips on it, and when you fly
it with the 13m tips on it the G rating is +7 to -5 with a 2.6 second
roll rate (45-45 degrees @ 50knots). It can be inverted and looped
with the 15m tips, but you can really ring it out with the 13's on it.
The only problem are there are only 12 in the US, so finding one may
not be too easy. Looping is within the envelope of most gliders, but
not inverting. Get Acro training. Have fun.

Paul Hanson

PS. New 59's are available, but they are pretty spendy with a 45,000
Euro base price (no instruments/trailer/VAT/import fee/etc)

PPS. The last 59 I saw sell on WingsandWheels went for $33,000 to a
guy in Arizona for his newly soloed 14yr old daughter to fly. It is a
forgiving ship with lots of 'go'. Read the Johnson flight report on it
(go to SSA.org, sign in, and put the cursor to the "Soaring Magazine"
option and click on Johnson Reports in the tab that will pop out)

check out the link below for a few pics both with and without the 15m
tips (note-the winglets are an extra option, but available):
http://www.airliners.net/search/phot...nct_entry=true

On Tue, 20 May 2008 15:10:04 +0000, Colin McGinn wrote:

At 11:25 20 May 2008, Colin McGinn wrote:
ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once
solo so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on

What are you currently learning on, what does your club usually transition
early solo pilots onto and what is your budget for glider purchase?

Others have said the Sailplane Directory is the best reference source for
looking up gliders. Despite its limitations, I'd agree.

I spent my first solo year flying club Juniors and getting my Silver C
in one. Its a nice glider to fly, can teach you a lot about thermalling
technique and will easily take you the Silver C. My next mount was
the club's Pegase 90, a very nice glider and fairly inexpensive in terms
of bang for the buck, before converting to the club Discus. Personally, I
preferred the Pegase: not a lot of performance difference (certainly much
less than I could take advantage of) but more comfortable and quite a bit
cheaper too.

Best idea is to talk to your CFI and take in what he has to say: if
your club is like mine you won't be allowed to put a glider on site
that your CFI thinks is unsuitable for your experience and capabilities.
Then talk to club members about what they think is good for your local
conditions and what they think of various gliders.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. |
org | Zappa fan & glider pilot

i cant believe no one has any comments ??

The posting was difficult to read due the lack of white space, capitalization and punctuation. A well formatted posting is a joy to read and respond to. Common posting courtesy is appreciated.

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!"
--
Jer/ (Slash) Eberhard, Mountain Flying Aviation, LTD, Ft Collins, CO
CELL 970 231-6325 EMAIL jer'at'frii.com http://users.frii.net/jer/
C-206, CFII Airplane&Glider, FAA-DEN Aviation Safety Counselor
CAP-CO Mission&Aircraft CheckPilot BM218 HAM N0FZD 263 Young Eagles!

I entered "first glider" in the search field for this group = 11
pages w/ten posts each.

First thoughts:

It might take you quite a time to become proficient at loops and inverted.
Also there are many others things to learn besides aerobatic. Pre-solo,
you probably have a year or two of learning, in all conditions and hopefully
different clubs to put into your knowledge base.

Second thoughts: When you were about to take your driving test did you
consider buying a high performance sports car, with all the twitchiness that
entails?

I would suggest you get something to learn on for a couple of years whilst
you gain experience. Like your first car, there's a really good chance your
going to scratch it a bit on the way :-(

If both of your have lots of free time, you could well get through the next
steps of learning in a year and can move onto a higher performance glider.
If not, you will take a bit longer. Having an expensive machine sitting
gathering dust is not that motivational. Breaking one due to lack of
experience or being current is even worse..


"Colin McGinn" wrote in message
...
ok here goes nothing
we as a couple are close to solo and because of limitation n time due to
business commitments we will find it hard to share club gliders once solo
so
look to buy one , however we are well aware that with time comes
experience
so we would like some advice on a good starter glider from solo on
i do like doing loops and inverted so ideally this glider will be able to
take that
in its stride when im proficient enough to do these solo ,
we also seek info as to if there is a web site with a pic of every glider
made
as its very hard to know what a mentioned glider even looks like ,
so i look forward to what im sure will be a multitude of suggestions and
views

kind regards
colin