Original F-117 Sketch

the "Hopeless Diamond" version:

http://www.f-117a.com/images/XST/hdiamond1.gif

Looks much different from the designs the Germans came up with for
their MBB Lampyridae (Firefly)... independently, of course. The German
design was much better at radar defraction and was from the onset
designed as an armed interceptor.
But US pressure cancelled the program just like the Canadian CF-105
Arrow.

Rob

p.s. However, it is not quite confirmed that the Germans actually
stopped with their stealth program. Reports of Firefly II stealth
aircraft being tested in South Africa have persisted for years just as
the now-confirmed German-assisted firing of an Israeli cruise missile
off South Africa's coast on one of the Dolphin subs.

But US pressure cancelled the program just like the Canadian CF-105
Arrow.

Yes, everywhere there have been these "superior" programs the US has somehow
managed to pressure them all to be cancelled.

I hear we also bring down the sun every once in a while and strong-arm or
bribe scientists to claim it's just something called an "eclipse".

Here's your hat.

"t_mark" wrote in message news:AtOXb.44204$L_4.37562@okepread01...
But US pressure cancelled the program just like the Canadian CF-105
Arrow.

Yes, everywhere there have been these "superior" programs the US has somehow
managed to pressure them all to be cancelled.

I hear we also bring down the sun every once in a while and strong-arm or
bribe scientists to claim it's just something called an "eclipse".

Here's your hat.

And here's the facts:

http://www.invisible-defenders.org/p...lampyridae.htm

Rob

From: (robert arndt)

At least you didn't try to claim the F-117 was drived from "lampyridae."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

B2431 wrote:
From: (robert arndt)


At least you didn't try to claim the F-117 was drived from "lampyridae."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired



But it was derived from Soviet research done years before.... and
German designs from WWII...

Ford Prefect wrote:
B2431 wrote:
From: (robert arndt)


At least you didn't try to claim the F-117 was drived from
"lampyridae."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired



But it was derived from Soviet research done years before....

Only some Russian mathematics that they didn't have the computing power to
actually calculate.

and
German designs from WWII...

???

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"Ford Prefect" wrote in message
...


B2431 wrote:
From: (robert arndt)


At least you didn't try to claim the F-117 was drived from "lampyridae."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired



But it was derived from Soviet research done years before....

That happens to be true. The inspiration for the initial F-117 design
(faceting) was indeed derived from a Soviet text on electrostatic
engineering. However the Soviets had no idea what to do with this book, and
never even bothered to make it a classified material. It was obtained pretty
much by chance by one of our engineers, passed around in the right circles,
and a few years later we had the F117.

Mind you, this book was not a blueprint for a steath aircraft, it just had
some interesting theories and mathmatical formulas, and was never more that
a piece of a very large puzzle. It took an enormous amount of innovation,
imagination, money and engineering genius to create the F117. Fortunately,
these are qualities that the Soviets sorely lacked, and Americans have in
spades.

"t_mark" wrote in message news:AtOXb.44204$L_4.37562@okepread01...
But US pressure cancelled the program just like the Canadian CF-105
Arrow.

Yes, everywhere there have been these "superior" programs the US has somehow
managed to pressure them all to be cancelled.

I hear we also bring down the sun every once in a while and strong-arm or
bribe scientists to claim it's just something called an "eclipse".

Here's your hat.

http://novaonline.nvcc.edu/eli/evans...9/Arrow59.html

FYI, the Arrow was the greatest interceptor of the time and one of the
greatest aircraft of all time. It could do Mach 2.5 fourteen years
before the F-15 could and was developing a weapon system the
equivalent of the AMRAAM in the 1950s! Furthermore, it could reach the
same height as the CIA's U-2 making the Arrow an instant threat to the
CIA, who promptyly notified the President. That's when we started
pressuring Canada with the BOMARCs and threatening to place them south
of the Canadian border if the Arrow Program wasn't cancelled. It
was... on "Black Friday" with the loss of 15,000 employees, all the
aircraft, tooling, and all documentation. The entire project was wiped
out and along with it the pride of Canada and Avro which could have
been a world-class aircraft producer.
Same story goes for the Avro disc aircraft derived from the German
discs. They had the lead and were making progress- we got involved,
shut their efforts down, took all the technology, and brought it home-
giving it to Lockheed and Northrop. No conspiracies here buddy, just
cold hard facts. The US is ruthless when others have better stuff. And
don't start with the Avrocar nonsense- that piece of cooperative junk
was never meant to fly but to mislead the Reds into thinking that was
the best we could do with disc technology. No sir, Lockheed took over
and built the craft that led to the black projects flying today.

Rob

(robert arndt) wrote in
om:

FYI, the Arrow was the greatest interceptor of the time and one of
the greatest aircraft of all time.

It was certainly a pretty airplane. But every time I look up
potential specifications on it, it seems to be a bit faster and a
bit higher-flying than the F-4 that was going into first-flight
around the same time. And, I'd hazard a guess, without the extension
to multirole capability that the F-4 had.

A couple of years later, the Brits introduced the Lightning, which
seems to do everything the Arrow would have done, but maybe better.
And a few years after that, out came the MiG-25.

It seems a nice enough airplane, but not untypical of interceptors
making their first flights around then, if a year or two ahead of the
curve.

But I am but an egg.

--
Jim Battista
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

From: (robert arndt)


the "Hopeless Diamond" version:

http://www.f-117a.com/images/XST/hdiamond1.gif

Looks much different from the designs the Germans came up with for
their MBB Lampyridae (Firefly)... independently, of course.

And it looks "much different from" the Mona Lisa. Congratulations on your
powers of observation.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired