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![]() US Contractors are not subject to US law nor Iraqi law, nor the Geneva Convention, nor the Freedom Of Information Act. If Blackwater is acting irresponsibly on the ground, imagine what they can do in the air. http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/b...s-embraer.html Brazil's Embraer may sell light training-fighter planes to U.S. for use in Iraq By Bradley Brooks ASSOCIATED PRESS 2:02 p.m. June 2, 2008 SAO PAULO, Brazil – Brazilian aircraft manufacturer Embraer is participating in preliminary negotiations to sell the U.S. government eight 314-B1 Super Tucano light attack and training planes for use in Iraq, the company said Monday. Embraer also confirmed that it sold one of the propeller-driven planes to a subsidiary of Blackwater Worldwide, the world's largest security contractor and the target of harsh criticism for its conduct in Iraq. ... The Embraer spokesman confirmed the sale of a Super Tucano to Blackwater subsidiary EP Aviation. Brazilian law prohibits a private company from selling arms for use in existing conflicts, but the spokesman said the plane was not shipped with any armaments and was intended for training purposes in the U.S. The plane sold to EP Aviation was bought for US$4.5 million and delivered at the end of February. Records on the Web site of the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration confirmed that EP Aviation had registered a Super Tucano. Blackwater, the largest private security company in the world, has been under scrutiny as a U.S. federal grand jury investigates its involvement in the shooting deaths of 17 Iraqi civilians. Blackwater also is under investigation for possible weapons smuggling allegations – accusations the company denies. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/..._10055829.html $4.5 million 314 B1 Super Tucano Fighter Plane for counter insurgency June 2nd, 2008 - 11:20 pm ICT by David M N James American company Black-water which is the most prominent private security company in the world bought one of them last week from the Brazilian aircraft manufacturer. The 314 B1 Super Tucano is a propeller-driven fighter plane with a market value of $4.5 million. Based on a true story, Black Water has been involved in deaths in Iraqi since it was contracted as a private military in Iraqi by the US government. The 314 B1 is black and grey. It is propeller driven and is very similar to that of the World-War 2 fighter plane. According to Embraer, EMB 314 Super Tucano which is also named ALX or A-29 is a turboprop aircraft designed for light attack, counter insurgency (COIN) and pilot training missions. http://www.defensetech.org/archives/004215.html This morning Military.com has a story on America's most famous (or infamous) private security contractor, Blackwater USA, purchasing a light attack aircraft. Report Says Blackwater Bought Fighter (AP) A subsidiary of U.S. military security contractor Blackwater Worldwide has purchased a fighter plane from the Brazilian aviation company Embraer, a Brazilian newspaper reported June 1. First of all the headline is misleading. The Tucano isn't a "fighter" unless you're a seriously third world air force. But it has been bandied around as a good answer for a "counter-insurgency" aircraft. So Blackwater has clearly done some research (and been reading DT, I have to assume) on the best plane to fight a dirty war. It's interesting, too, that the company is buying new. Seems to me there'd be a lot more surplus gear on the market for them to snap up -- and keep it low profile as well. It was not clear if it was Embraer's first sale of a military-style aircraft to a private company. EP Aviation has 33 planes and helicopters registered with the FAA, according to the agency's Web site, only one of which is from Embraer. ... It does worry be a bit each time a company like Blackwater continues this arms build up. Sources tell me they've got a "Spectre'-like" gunship already, and they've been buzzing around Baghdad in spec-ops-style armed Little Birds. So what happens when a contract with the US Gov goes bad -- say Congress pulls funding from a contract midway through the agreement. Will Blackwater use this kind of equipment to come collect what it's owed? Seems far fetched, I know, but Blackwater officials are downplaying the Tucano buy to curb fears. http://www.military.com/news/article...r.html?wh=news The newspaper reported that Blackwater president Gary Jackson said the plane would be used for training. The plane sold to EP Aviation did not include the two .50-caliber machine guns normally attached to the wings. Blackwater, the largest private security company in the world, has been under scrutiny as a U.S. federal grand jury investigates its involvement in the shooting deaths of 17 Iraqi civilians. Blackwater also is under investigation for possible weapons smuggling allegations - accusations the company denies. http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/...fighter-plane/ The armament is as follows, 2x 12.7 mm FN Herstal M3P machine guns, 1x 20 mm cannon pod below the fuselage, 4x 70 mm rocket launcher pods, Conventional and intelligent bombs, 2x AIM-9 Sidewinder or MAA-1 Piranha or Python 3/4 air-to-air missiles and External stores on 5 hardpoints. The maximum speed is 593 km/h (320 knots, 368 mph). |
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Larry Dighera wrote:
US Contractors are not subject to US law nor Iraqi law, nor the Geneva Convention, nor the Freedom Of Information Act. If Blackwater is acting irresponsibly on the ground, imagine what they can do in the air. Let's see an unarmed turbine powered 2 seater. Do you think it might just be for the President of BW to have some fun in? |
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Gig 601Xl Builder wrote:
Larry Dighera wrote: US Contractors are not subject to US law nor Iraqi law, nor the Geneva Convention, nor the Freedom Of Information Act. If Blackwater is acting irresponsibly on the ground, imagine what they can do in the air. Let's see an unarmed turbine powered 2 seater. Do you think it might just be for the President of BW to have some fun in? And one other thing... Your first sentence is not correct. http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C212.txt |
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:26:35 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote in : Gig 601Xl Builder wrote: Larry Dighera wrote: US Contractors are not subject to US law nor Iraqi law, nor the Geneva Convention, nor the Freedom Of Information Act. If Blackwater is acting irresponsibly on the ground, imagine what they can do in the air. Let's see an unarmed turbine powered 2 seater. Do you think it might just be for the President of BW to have some fun in? And one other thing... Your first sentence is not correct. http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C212.txt -STATUTE- (a) Whoever engages in conduct outside the United States hat would constitute an offense punishable by imprisonment for more than 1 year if the conduct had been engaged in within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States - (1) while employed by or accompanying the Armed Forces outside the United States; or (2) while a member of the Armed Forces subject to chapter 47 of title 10 (the Uniform Code of Military Justice), shall be punished as provided for that offense. It is my understanding that Blackwater was working for the State Department, and was not affiliated with the US DOD or US military at all. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...ter/index.html What happens to private contractors who kill Iraqis? Maybe nothing Blackwater USA employees are accused of killing several civilians, but there might not be anyone with the authority to prosecute them. By Alex Koppelman and Mark Benjamin ... "The question for the U.S. is whether it will hand over its citizens or contractors to an Iraqi court, particularly an Iraqi court that's going to try and make a political point out of this," Singer says. If the United States is not willing to do so because of concerns that the trial will be politically motivated, he adds, there's a new question at hand. "If we really say that openly, doesn't that defeat everything we heard in the Kabuki play last week with [General David] Petraeus and [U.S. Ambassador Ryan] Crocker, that everything was going great? What happens if we say, 'No, we don't think you can deal with this fairly in your justice system?'" That leaves international and U.S. law. But international law is probably out. Even before the Bush administration, the United States had established a precedent of rejecting the jurisdiction of international courts. The United States is not, for example, a member of the International Criminal Court in the Hague. (In 2005, the government of Iraq announced its decision to join the court; it reversed that decision two weeks later.) U.S. law, meanwhile, is hopelessly murky. More so than in any of America's previous conflicts, contractors are an integral part of the U.S. effort in Iraq, providing logistical support and performing essential functions that were once the province of the official military. There are currently at least 180,000 in Iraq, more than the total number of U.S. troops. But the introduction of private contractors into Iraq was not accompanied by a definitive legal construct specifying potential consequences for alleged criminal acts. Various members of Congress are now attempting to clarify the laws that might apply to contractors. In the meantime, experts who spoke with Salon say there's little clarity on what law applies to contractors like the ones involved in Sunday's incident, and the Bush administration has shown little desire to take action against contractor malfeasance. In June of this year, the Congressional Research Service -- a nonpartisan research arm of Congress -- issued a report on private security contractors in Iraq that included a discussion of their legal status. The report's authors gave a bleak picture of prospects for prosecution under U.S. law, referring at one point to "the U.S. government's practical inability to discipline errant contract employees." ... |
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:23:22 -0500, Gig 601Xl Builder
wrote in : Larry Dighera wrote: US Contractors are not subject to US law nor Iraqi law, nor the Geneva Convention, nor the Freedom Of Information Act. If Blackwater is acting irresponsibly on the ground, imagine what they can do in the air. Let's see an unarmed turbine powered 2 seater. Do you think it might just be for the President of BW to have some fun in? Eric Prince http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Prince may actually be qualified, as he earned his airmans certificate while still attending high school. But I see him as more of the L-39 Albatros type. I believe it might be to train Blackwater pilots to operate the eight 314-B1 Super Tucanos the US government is currently negotiating to purchase as mentioned in the first link of my original article in this message thread. |
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