Desert MOA's

Please be careful out there. I just got an earful from a fighter
pilot who said he had an 'encounter' with a glider over the Pahranagat
valley tuesday afternoon. That's a VERY busy corridor Monday through
Friday.

Uncle Fuzzy wrote:
Please be careful out there. I just got an earful from a fighter
pilot who said he had an 'encounter' with a glider over the Pahranagat
valley tuesday afternoon. That's a VERY busy corridor Monday through
Friday.

Damn pesky gliders, blasting all over SHARED USE airspace at near
supersonic speeds, not paying the least bit of attention to the
occasional fighter jock that gets in their way...

I'm confused. He gave you an earful? ... when you had the right-of-
way? I'm missing something here ... think think think ...

On Jul 10, 9:46*am, Tuno wrote:
I'm confused. He gave you an earful? ... when you had the right-of-
way? I'm missing something here ... think think think ...

Sorry all, I misstated. I didn't get an 'earful'. More of a heads
up. Yep, the glider not only has the right to be there, but the right-
of-way as well. The mil pilot just wanted to emphasize that's just
about the busiest corridor in a MOA in the US.

A right of way doesn't help you when they can't see you in time.

Mike Schumann

"Uncle Fuzzy" wrote in message
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On Jul 10, 9:46 am, Tuno wrote:
I'm confused. He gave you an earful? ... when you had the right-of-
way? I'm missing something here ... think think think ...

Sorry all, I misstated. I didn't get an 'earful'. More of a heads
up. Yep, the glider not only has the right to be there, but the right-
of-way as well. The mil pilot just wanted to emphasize that's just
about the busiest corridor in a MOA in the US.


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Mike Schumann wrote:
A right of way doesn't help you when they can't see you in time.

If they don't see you in time, it's also a problem for them. I suppose
that's part of the reason they are cranky about civilian MOA traffic.

The problem appears to be using MOAs safely. What methods work? I list
some ideas, ordered by my guess of effectiveness, best to worst:

* avoiding them when they are in use would work the best, of course.
* I assume using a transponder would be almost as good.
* Perhaps using a PCAS like the Zaon MRX might alert you adequately.
* staying out of an MOA when it's "very busy" would help, but that seems
difficult to determine if you are always told "don't go in", regardless
of the amount of military traffic in it.
* transit it with a gaggle, so more eyes are looking and the group is
easier to see than an individual glider.
* really, really, looking around so much it makes your neck hurt.
* informing the controlling agency that you will be there.

Do power planes, which always have transponders, have the same access
problems gliders do; i.e., are the MOA controllers against any civilian
traffic, against only transponderless traffic, or just picking on gliders?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* Updated! "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* New Jan '08 - sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

Do power planes, which always have transponders, have the same access
problems gliders do; i.e., are the MOA controllers against any civilian
traffic, against only transponderless traffic, or just picking on gliders?


When a civil transponder beacon return is identified by watchful eyes as
being in and transiting the MOA during military flight operations.
A "knock it off" call is made and everyone goes to a safe altitude and
airspace area.

In the mentioned case, the glider was in the "corridor" within the MOA used
by the military to climb and descend into and out of the MOA from the near
by military base.

Be careful out there folks.. there is a major training exercise going on for
the next month and a lot of foreign countries are participating with their
aircraft.

BT

A right of way doesn't help you when they can't see you in time.

If they don't see you in time, it's also a problem for them. I suppose
that's part of the reason they are cranky about civilian MOA traffic.

The problem appears to be using MOAs safely. What methods work? I list
some ideas, ordered by my guess of effectiveness, best to worst:

* avoiding them when they are in use would work the best, of course.
* I assume using a transponder would be almost as good.
* Perhaps using a PCAS like the Zaon MRX might alert you adequately.
* staying out of an MOA when it's "very busy" would help, but that seems
difficult to determine if you are always told "don't go in", regardless
of the amount of military traffic in it.
* transit it with a gaggle, so more eyes are looking and the group is
easier to see than an individual glider.
* really, really, looking around so much it makes your neck hurt.
* informing the controlling agency that you will be there.

Do power planes, which always have transponders, have the same access
problems gliders do; i.e., are the MOA controllers against any civilian
traffic, against only transponderless traffic, or just picking on gliders?

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

* Updated! "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* New Jan '08 - sections on Mode S, TPAS, ADS-B, Flarm, more

* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org[/quote]



Perhaps a picture of Osama on the tail, they dont seem to be able to hit him!



Bagger (rolling, diving for cover)

"Eric Greenwell" wrote in message
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Do power planes, which always have transponders, have the same access
problems gliders do; i.e., are the MOA controllers against any civilian
traffic, against only transponderless traffic, or just picking on gliders?

Eric,

According to the AOPA's website this is not just a glider problem.
(http://www.aopa.org/flightplanning/a...80707f-16.html)
Be sure to watch the video. (5 megs.)

See you in a few weeks at Mackay,

Wayne
HP-14 "Six Foxtrot"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

Tuno wrote:
I'm confused. He gave you an earful? ... when you had the right-of-
way? I'm missing something here ... think think think ...

Here's what you're missing:

The other pilot was flying the latest USAF weapon: a balloon fighter
aircraft - something the enemy would never expect!