OSH: Icon A5 presentation

and now for soemthing completely different:

the ICON A5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpNBNg4JzeQ

about 140AMUs

and boy, this is a cockpit from this century, not like most of the other
crap on the market.

#m

On 2008-08-02, Martin Hotze wrote:
and boy, this is a cockpit from this century, not like most of the other
crap on the market.

Too bad it's aggressively VFR-only and, as far as I could tell, completely
non-upgradeable - with a nonstandard instrument layout, *tiny* engine
gauges, one com radio, no nav radios, and a mode C transponder, and that's
it.

It suffers from a 2008 version of the 1940s tendency to try to make airplane
panels look like automobile dashboards. It didn't work then, and it doesn't
work now. Airplanes are not cars, and shouldn't try to act like them.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

Jay Maynard schrieb:
On 2008-08-02, Martin Hotze wrote:
and boy, this is a cockpit from this century, not like most of the other
crap on the market.

Too bad it's aggressively VFR-only and,

.... and it is a LSA, so I'd have no problem with this.

as far as I could tell, completely
non-upgradeable - with a nonstandard instrument layout, *tiny* engine
gauges, one com radio, no nav radios, and a mode C transponder, and that's
it.

it is a LSA; weight matters. Out of the video: you can upgrade:
automatic wingfold, retrectable gear, parachute.

It suffers from a 2008 version of the 1940s tendency to try to make airplane
panels look like automobile dashboards. It didn't work then, and it doesn't
work now. Airplanes are not cars, and shouldn't try to act like them.

I don't care about the car-design, but I like the modern and european look.

#m

On 2008-08-02, Martin Hotze wrote:
Jay Maynard schrieb:
On 2008-08-02, Martin Hotze wrote:
and boy, this is a cockpit from this century, not like most of the other
crap on the market.
Too bad it's aggressively VFR-only and,
... and it is a LSA, so I'd have no problem with this.

Who says an LSA has to be VFR-only? Mine's not.

as far as I could tell, completely non-upgradeable - with a nonstandard
instrument layout, *tiny* engine gauges, one com radio, no nav radios,
and a mode C transponder, and that's it.
it is a LSA; weight matters. Out of the video: you can upgrade:
automatic wingfold, retrectable gear, parachute.

And still a fixed, non-upgradeable panel. What happens when ADS-B is
required? (This will happen one day, hopefully in a better form than the FAA
tried the first time.)

It suffers from a 2008 version of the 1940s tendency to try to make airplane
panels look like automobile dashboards. It didn't work then, and it doesn't
work now. Airplanes are not cars, and shouldn't try to act like them.
I don't care about the car-design, but I like the modern and european look.

The "modern, European look" is intended to look like a Porsche or BMW. Car.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

Jay Maynard schrieb:
I don't care about the car-design, but I like the modern and european look.

The "modern, European look" is intended to look like a Porsche or BMW. Car.

this is OK for me; I don't like the Cessna et-al desgins.

#m

On 2008-08-02, Martin Hotze wrote:
Jay Maynard schrieb:
I don't care about the car-design, but I like the modern and european look.
The "modern, European look" is intended to look like a Porsche or BMW. Car.
this is OK for me; I don't like the Cessna et-al desgins.

Form follows function. ICON got it backwards.
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

"Jay Maynard" wrote

Who says an LSA has to be VFR-only? Mine's not.

That brings an interesting subject to mind.

If an aircraft is certified through the LSA process instead of the more
rigorous part 23 certification process, and the LSA is VFR only, can one of
these LSA certified planes fly in IMC or IFR?
--
Jim in NC

On 2008-08-03, Morgans wrote:
If an aircraft is certified through the LSA process instead of the more
rigorous part 23 certification process, and the LSA is VFR only, can one of
these LSA certified planes fly in IMC or IFR?

The POH, and probably a panel placard, will say "VFR only".

Is it a violation to operate an aircraft in violation of the POH?
--
Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.com
http://jmaynard.livejournal.com http://www.tronguy.net
Fairmont, MN (FRM) (Yes, that's me!)
AMD Zodiac CH601XLi N55ZC (got it!)

"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Jay Maynard" wrote

Who says an LSA has to be VFR-only? Mine's not.

That brings an interesting subject to mind.

If an aircraft is certified through the LSA process instead of the more
rigorous part 23 certification process, and the LSA is VFR only, can one
of these LSA certified planes fly in IMC or IFR?
--
Jim in NC

Interesting question. My best guess is that it would not be permitted to
fly under IFR at night; because the Rotax 912 is not certified to a standard
compatible with night IFR. Day IFR is another issue, and one on which I can
not even guess.

Peter

Certificated!!
Certificated!!

/certified/

{;-)

Jim

--
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without accepting it."
--Aristotle


"Morgans" wrote in message
...

"Jay Maynard" wrote

Who says an LSA has to be VFR-only? Mine's not.

That brings an interesting subject to mind.

If an aircraft is certified through the LSA process instead of the more
rigorous part 23 certification process, and the LSA is VFR only, can one
of these LSA certified planes fly in IMC or IFR?
--
Jim in NC