Do CAP members salute?

I have been at various airshows, flyins, etc where CAP cadets and adults
were present in uniform.

As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to salute
officers etc? Are members of the Air Force supposed to salute CAP members of
higher rank?

Walking around at these functions it is sometimes hard to tell who rates a
salute or not.

"Viperdoc" wrote in
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I have been at various airshows, flyins, etc where CAP cadets and
adults were present in uniform.

As the civilian auxiliary of the Air Force are they expected to salute
officers etc?


Yep


Bertie

The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be variable.
Just two days ago, there were three officers in uniform, two Air Force and
one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a local disaster drill.

Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he had a first
lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are you, good day, or
something similar. He certainly would have been welcome to stand with us,
share ideas, and come up with some ways we could work with CAP and the
military to enhance our disaster preparedness.

However, he basically walked right past us, never said a word (or saluted),
and simply walked away. I have seen this on other occasions, and it gives
the impression that the CAP guys want to remain autonomous and not really
act as part of the Air Force.

Perhaps they are intimidated by actual members of the military, or perhaps
they were former enlisted that now wear an officer's uniform but feel
uncomfortable doing so.

It just strikes me that if we (CAP and the Air Force) worked more closely,
it would be to everyone's benefit.

"Viperdoc" wrote in
:

The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be
variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in uniform, two
Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a local
disaster drill.

Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he had a
first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are you,
good day, or something similar. He certainly would have been welcome
to stand with us, share ideas, and come up with some ways we could
work with CAP and the military to enhance our disaster preparedness.



They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell are as
crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to be a
security gaurd in a mall.


Bertie

Agreed

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell are
as
crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to be a
security gaurd in a mall.


Bertie

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Viperdoc" wrote in
:

The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be
variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in uniform, two
Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a local
disaster drill.

Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he had a
first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are you,
good day, or something similar. He certainly would have been welcome
to stand with us, share ideas, and come up with some ways we could
work with CAP and the military to enhance our disaster preparedness.



They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell are
as
crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to be a
security gaurd in a mall.

This is true to a large degree. However, there's also a mixed bag. Many
members were in the real air force and many have retired from the same. I
know several CAP colonels who were real colonels in the real USAF. There's
also a lot of members who just like to fly and have fun and could care less
about the pretend military gig. The pretend air force aspect of CAP is
mostly for the cadets. Paying $70 per year in dues does not make one an
officer, although there are many who seem to think it does. For senior
members, there's also the option of wearing CAP distinctive uniforms which
display no rank insignia. That's the option preferred by those who don't
really want to pretend they are in the military.

"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in
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"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
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"Viperdoc" wrote in
:

The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be
variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in uniform,
two Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a
local disaster drill.

Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he had a
first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are you,
good day, or something similar. He certainly would have been welcome
to stand with us, share ideas, and come up with some ways we could
work with CAP and the military to enhance our disaster preparedness.



They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell
are as
crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to
be a security gaurd in a mall.

This is true to a large degree. However, there's also a mixed bag.
Many members were in the real air force and many have retired from the
same. I know several CAP colonels who were real colonels in the real
USAF. There's also a lot of members who just like to fly and have fun
and could care less about the pretend military gig. The pretend air
force aspect of CAP is mostly for the cadets. Paying $70 per year in
dues does not make one an officer, although there are many who seem to
think it does. For senior members, there's also the option of wearing
CAP distinctive uniforms which display no rank insignia. That's the
option preferred by those who don't really want to pretend they are in
the military.



Yeah, true enough, there are a lot of good guys in the CAP, They are in
a minority, though. I can't see how they can stand it.


Bertie

"Mike" nospam@ microsoft.com wrote in message
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| "Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
| ...
| "Viperdoc" wrote in
| :
|
| The response of a lot of CAP members in this regard seems to be
| variable. Just two days ago, there were three officers in uniform, two
| Air Force and one Army, and a guy in a CAP set of BDU's at a local
| disaster drill.
|
| Standard protocol would have been for him to come up to us (he had a
| first lieutenant bar on his uniform), salute, and say how are you,
| good day, or something similar. He certainly would have been welcome
| to stand with us, share ideas, and come up with some ways we could
| work with CAP and the military to enhance our disaster preparedness.
|
|
|
| They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell are
| as
| crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to be
a
| security gaurd in a mall.
|
| This is true to a large degree. However, there's also a mixed bag. Many
| members were in the real air force and many have retired from the same. I
| know several CAP colonels who were real colonels in the real USAF.
There's
| also a lot of members who just like to fly and have fun and could care
less
| about the pretend military gig. The pretend air force aspect of CAP is
| mostly for the cadets. Paying $70 per year in dues does not make one an
| officer, although there are many who seem to think it does. For senior
| members, there's also the option of wearing CAP distinctive uniforms which
| display no rank insignia. That's the option preferred by those who don't
| really want to pretend they are in the military.
|

Gee Mikey Mouth. I didn't know you were a CAP wanna be.

They're supposed to, but in fact a large percentage of CAP personell are as
crazy as bedbugs and are only there because they're not qualified to be a
security gaurd in a mall.

Bertie

I hate to admit it but Bertie is right on with this one..

I tried the local CAP to be helpful, find and hopefully save a
life. Turned out they are a group of military wanna be's who have
control of a AirForce owned plane and dictate who can play in their
sandbox. First, that plane belongs to ALL of us, they have strick
rules like, " a member needs to be height/weight proportionate. The
state commander was a walking heart attack and at my first and only
SAREX, 90% of the group was 300 lbs +. So much for rules G. The last
straw was their overwhelming desire for protocal, If I am going to
risk my life looking for missing people and planes I would expect them
to respect the general population and give some leeway in the fact
that all volunteer citizans don't have time to go home, get dressed in
their approved monkey suits and meet at the office to start a search.
Hell by that time the party we are looking for are dead !!! And look
at their safety record... Dismal at best. If I am going to get killed
it sure as hell ain't gonna be by some uniform wearing low time
assholes..... Let's see. the Wyoming wing of the Cival Air Patrol has
in the last couple of years has killed 4 humans, destroyed two
perfectly good planes, both by total stupidity.. I have been flying
and have yet to even put a single scratch on anything but I seem to be
not qualified to fly their,-- oops, our planes. To be fair there is a
few good guys and gals in the CAP, but,,,,,,,,the VAST majority
though are as Bertie puts it " crazy as bedbugs"

rant off.

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:14:35 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

... give some leeway in the fact
that all volunteer citizans don't have time to go home, get dressed in
their approved monkey suits and meet at the office to start a search.

It's been ~25 years since I've been a member, but I'll chime in with one point I
remember: CAP's accident insurance only covered you during searches when you
were in uniform. I flew my first ~225 hours in CAP airplanes (Bird Dog, L-16,
Citabria, L-18), and only wore my uniform when it was an actual CAP function.
By the time I quit, though, they were requiring everyone to wear a uniform
whenever flying a CAP airplane.

IIRC, CAP's "jumpsuit" outfit was intended to allow members to be "in uniform"
without requiring them to conform to the height/weight/haircut standards of the
Air Force duds.

Ron Wanttaja