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Old November 28th 08, 05:49 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dallasâ„¢
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Wouldn't a pilot flying a seaplane with only a ASEL showing in the FAA
Registry be in violation?



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Old November 28th 08, 08:03 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Dallas™ wrote:
Wouldn't a pilot flying a seaplane with only a ASEL showing in the FAA
Registry be in violation?


Depends on the certification of the seaplane. If it's experimental, he
doesn't need the rating to fly solo.

Ron Wanttaja
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Old November 28th 08, 10:33 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do with it?
In the USA
BT

"Ron Wanttaja" wrote in message
...
Dallas™ wrote:
Wouldn't a pilot flying a seaplane with only a ASEL showing in the FAA
Registry be in violation?


Depends on the certification of the seaplane. If it's experimental, he
doesn't need the rating to fly solo.

Ron Wanttaja



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Old November 28th 08, 10:56 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Robert Moore
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"BT" wrote
explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do
with it? In the USA


FAR 61.31
(k) Exceptions.

(1) This section does not require a category and class rating for aircraft
not type-certificated as airplanes, rotorcraft, gliders, lighter-than-air
aircraft, powered-lifts, powered parachutes, or weight-shift-control
aircraft.

(2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to—

(i) An applicant when taking a practical test given by an examiner;

(ii) The holder of a student pilot certificate;

(iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
the authority of—

(A) A provisional type certificate; or

(B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
passenger;

Bob Moore
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Old November 28th 08, 11:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
BT
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Thanx Bob... that's a new wrinkle I had not seen..
BT

"Robert Moore" wrote in message
5.250...
"BT" wrote
explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do
with it? In the USA


FAR 61.31
(k) Exceptions.

(1) This section does not require a category and class rating for aircraft
not type-certificated as airplanes, rotorcraft, gliders, lighter-than-air
aircraft, powered-lifts, powered parachutes, or weight-shift-control
aircraft.

(2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to-

(i) An applicant when taking a practical test given by an examiner;

(ii) The holder of a student pilot certificate;

(iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
the authority of-

(A) A provisional type certificate; or

(B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
passenger;

Bob Moore



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Old November 28th 08, 11:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"BT" wrote in message
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Thanx Bob... that's a new wrinkle I had not seen..


Although, there are ways the FAA can make it difficult for you.

At a EAA flyin, a FAA inspector guy told us that although you were not
required to have a seaplane rating for an experimental seaplane, if he was
doing the signing off the inspection before the initial test period and knew
the person going to fly it was not seaplane rated, he would likely make the
restrictions something like "only to fly on the last Tuesday in the month
after a full moon at full tide and only if the full tide maximum occurs at
2:00 PM."

You get the idea. He wanted to make sure a person flying a brand new
homebuilt was rated for the aircraft.
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Jim in NC


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Old November 29th 08, 09:34 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dave S
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BUT... if you are carrying passengers, the exception doesnt hold, and
you have to have the cat/class for the plane.. (restating what was
mentioned initially..)

BT wrote:
Thanx Bob... that's a new wrinkle I had not seen..
BT

"Robert Moore" wrote in message
5.250...
"BT" wrote
explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do
with it? In the USA

FAR 61.31
(k) Exceptions.

(1) This section does not require a category and class rating for aircraft
not type-certificated as airplanes, rotorcraft, gliders, lighter-than-air
aircraft, powered-lifts, powered parachutes, or weight-shift-control
aircraft.

(2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to-

(i) An applicant when taking a practical test given by an examiner;

(ii) The holder of a student pilot certificate;

(iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
the authority of-

(A) A provisional type certificate; or

(B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
passenger;

Bob Moore



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Old November 28th 08, 11:52 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Dallasâ„¢
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On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:56:44 GMT, Robert Moore wrote:

(B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
passenger;


(C) Owner of aircraft is married to the Governor of the State.

:- )


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Old December 2nd 08, 05:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Robert Moore wrote:
"BT" wrote
explain that one further please? what does experimental have to do
with it? In the USA


FAR 61.31
(k) Exceptions.

(1) This section does not require a category and class rating for aircraft
not type-certificated as airplanes, rotorcraft, gliders, lighter-than-air
aircraft, powered-lifts, powered parachutes, or weight-shift-control
aircraft.

(2) The rating limitations of this section do not apply to—

(i) An applicant when taking a practical test given by an examiner;

(ii) The holder of a student pilot certificate;

(iii) The holder of a pilot certificate when operating an aircraft under
the authority of—

(A) A provisional type certificate; or

(B) An experimental certificate, unless the operation involves carrying a
passenger;

Bob Moore


Let's say a person holds a Private A-SEL and Rotorcraft-Helicopter but
has chosen to NOT get a medical and flies LSA class fixed wing aircraft.
Can that person fly and Ex-HB Helicopter without a medical?
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Old December 2nd 08, 05:53 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Robert Moore
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Gig 601Xl Builder wrote
Let's say a person holds a Private A-SEL and Rotorcraft-Helicopter but
has chosen to NOT get a medical and flies LSA class fixed wing
aircraft. Can that person fly and Ex-HB Helicopter without a medical?


NOPE! But the regs do permit a Private A-SEL pilot to fly it without
having a Rotorcraft-Helicopter rating. That's what the reg says, however
I understand that to deal with this loop-hole, that the FAA individual
who "signs-off" the experimental helicopter usually writes into the
operating limitations that the pilot shall posess an appropriate rating.

Bob Moore
 




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