F-35, not F-22, to Protect U.S. Airspace

On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

....By 1997 officials
had suggested a "four corners" defense, maintaining alert sites in
Massachusetts, Oregon, California, and Florida. By September 11,
2001,only 14 interceptor aircraft were sitting alert in the United States.

Unbelievable, isn't it? 14 aircraft to protect the entire continental
United States... This was what NORAD was reduced to?? Pitiful.
What was the defense budget in 2001?? Who got all the money?

What if Russia had launched an old style attack with waves of Bears
and long range escorts?

Just incredible. I had thought that we had all of 16 aircraft
available on 9/11. I overestimated. This is what happens when a
country becomes grossly overconfident in its own defenses, and it's
happened before.

At times we are truly "The United States of Amnesia".

And the best is too good for America. F-35s are good enough.

TL

On Feb 1, 1:16*am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

...By 1997 officials

had suggested a "four corners" defense, maintaining alert sites in
Massachusetts, Oregon, California, and Florida. By September 11,
2001,only 14 interceptor aircraft were sitting alert in the United States.

Unbelievable, isn't it? *14 aircraft to protect the entire continental
United States... *This was what NORAD was reduced to?? *Pitiful.
What was the defense budget in 2001?? *Who got all the money?

What if Russia had launched an old style attack with waves of Bears
and long range escorts?

Just incredible. *I had thought that we had all of 16 aircraft
available on 9/11. *I overestimated. *This is what happens when a
country becomes grossly overconfident in its own defenses, and it's
happened before.

At times we are truly "The United States of Amnesia".

And the best is too good for America. *F-35s are good enough.

TL

I think the early-warning radar still works. Those waves of Bears are
about gone. Total 64 in service, guess 40 would be the most they could
muster for waves, 15 hour plus flight time, I think we might be able
to handle them. You don't?

Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:16 am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

...By 1997 officials

had suggested a "four corners" defense, maintaining alert sites in
Massachusetts, Oregon, California, and Florida. By September 11,
2001,only 14 interceptor aircraft were sitting alert in the United States.
Unbelievable, isn't it? 14 aircraft to protect the entire continental
United States... This was what NORAD was reduced to?? Pitiful.
What was the defense budget in 2001?? Who got all the money?

What if Russia had launched an old style attack with waves of Bears
and long range escorts?

Just incredible. I had thought that we had all of 16 aircraft
available on 9/11. I overestimated. This is what happens when a
country becomes grossly overconfident in its own defenses, and it's
happened before.

At times we are truly "The United States of Amnesia".

And the best is too good for America. F-35s are good enough.

TL

I think the early-warning radar still works. Those waves of Bears are
about gone. Total 64 in service, guess 40 would be the most they could
muster for waves, 15 hour plus flight time, I think we might be able
to handle them. You don't?
Yes, there are no more "waves" of Bears. And the number of Blackjacks
is almost insignificant. There is no plausible reason for Russia to use
those planes in such fashion. I am curious as to what a "ong range
escort" would be.

Dean

damarkley wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:16 am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

...By 1997 officials

had suggested a "four corners" defense, maintaining alert sites in
Massachusetts, Oregon, California, and Florida. By September 11,
2001,only 14 interceptor aircraft were sitting alert in the United
States.
Unbelievable, isn't it? 14 aircraft to protect the entire continental
United States... This was what NORAD was reduced to?? Pitiful.
What was the defense budget in 2001?? Who got all the money?

What if Russia had launched an old style attack with waves of Bears
and long range escorts?

Just incredible. I had thought that we had all of 16 aircraft
available on 9/11. I overestimated. This is what happens when a
country becomes grossly overconfident in its own defenses, and it's
happened before.

At times we are truly "The United States of Amnesia".

And the best is too good for America. F-35s are good enough.

TL

I think the early-warning radar still works. Those waves of Bears are
about gone. Total 64 in service, guess 40 would be the most they could
muster for waves, 15 hour plus flight time, I think we might be able
to handle them. You don't?
Yes, there are no more "waves" of Bears. And the number of Blackjacks
is almost insignificant. There is no plausible reason for Russia to use
those planes in such fashion. I am curious as to what a "ong range
escort" would be.

Dean

"Long range escort" = call girl along for the ride?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Dan wrote:
damarkley wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:16 am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

...By 1997 officials

had suggested a "four corners" defense, maintaining alert sites in
Massachusetts, Oregon, California, and Florida. By September 11,
2001,only 14 interceptor aircraft were sitting alert in the United
States.
Unbelievable, isn't it? 14 aircraft to protect the entire continental
United States... This was what NORAD was reduced to?? Pitiful.
What was the defense budget in 2001?? Who got all the money?

What if Russia had launched an old style attack with waves of Bears
and long range escorts?

Just incredible. I had thought that we had all of 16 aircraft
available on 9/11. I overestimated. This is what happens when a
country becomes grossly overconfident in its own defenses, and it's
happened before.

At times we are truly "The United States of Amnesia".

And the best is too good for America. F-35s are good enough.

TL

I think the early-warning radar still works. Those waves of Bears are
about gone. Total 64 in service, guess 40 would be the most they could
muster for waves, 15 hour plus flight time, I think we might be able
to handle them. You don't?
Yes, there are no more "waves" of Bears. And the number of Blackjacks
is almost insignificant. There is no plausible reason for Russia to
use those planes in such fashion. I am curious as to what a "ong
range escort" would be.

Dean

"Long range escort" = call girl along for the ride?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
The Russians do claim to be capitalists, so its possible!

On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 04:43:59 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
wrote:

On Feb 1, 1:16*am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

...By 1997 officials

had suggested a "four corners" defense, maintaining alert sites in
Massachusetts, Oregon, California, and Florida. By September 11,
2001,only 14 interceptor aircraft were sitting alert in the United States.

Unbelievable, isn't it? *14 aircraft to protect the entire continental
United States... *This was what NORAD was reduced to?? *Pitiful.
What was the defense budget in 2001?? *Who got all the money?

What if Russia had launched an old style attack with waves of Bears
and long range escorts?

Just incredible. *I had thought that we had all of 16 aircraft
available on 9/11. *I overestimated. *This is what happens when a
country becomes grossly overconfident in its own defenses, and it's
happened before.

At times we are truly "The United States of Amnesia".

And the best is too good for America. *F-35s are good enough.

TL

I think the early-warning radar still works. Those waves of Bears are
about gone. Total 64 in service, guess 40 would be the most they could
muster for waves, 15 hour plus flight time, I think we might be able
to handle them. You don't?

The 14 aircraft do not include those in Alaska and the Canadian
Forces aircraft. In other words, they don't include the folks
tasked with providing defense against the threat he's ranting
about.


Peter Skelton

"Peter Skelton" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 04:43:59 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
wrote:

On Feb 1, 1:16 am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

...By 1997 officials

had suggested a "four corners" defense, maintaining alert sites in
Massachusetts, Oregon, California, and Florida. By September 11,
2001,only 14 interceptor aircraft were sitting alert in the United
States.

Unbelievable, isn't it? 14 aircraft to protect the entire continental
United States... This was what NORAD was reduced to?? Pitiful.
What was the defense budget in 2001?? Who got all the money?

What if Russia had launched an old style attack with waves of Bears
and long range escorts?

Just incredible. I had thought that we had all of 16 aircraft
available on 9/11. I overestimated. This is what happens when a
country becomes grossly overconfident in its own defenses, and it's
happened before.

At times we are truly "The United States of Amnesia".

And the best is too good for America. F-35s are good enough.

TL

I think the early-warning radar still works. Those waves of Bears are
about gone. Total 64 in service, guess 40 would be the most they could
muster for waves, 15 hour plus flight time, I think we might be able
to handle them. You don't?

The 14 aircraft do not include those in Alaska and the Canadian
Forces aircraft. In other words, they don't include the folks
tasked with providing defense against the threat he's ranting
about.

True, but I think the Canadian aircraft only bring the total to 20, 22 at the
most. I am not sure how many QRA are stood to in Alaska at any one time.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
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On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 10:51:56 -0500, "Andrew Chaplin"
wrote:

"Peter Skelton" wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 04:43:59 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
wrote:

On Feb 1, 1:16 am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

...By 1997 officials

had suggested a "four corners" defense, maintaining alert sites in
Massachusetts, Oregon, California, and Florida. By September 11,
2001,only 14 interceptor aircraft were sitting alert in the United
States.

Unbelievable, isn't it? 14 aircraft to protect the entire continental
United States... This was what NORAD was reduced to?? Pitiful.
What was the defense budget in 2001?? Who got all the money?

What if Russia had launched an old style attack with waves of Bears
and long range escorts?

Just incredible. I had thought that we had all of 16 aircraft
available on 9/11. I overestimated. This is what happens when a
country becomes grossly overconfident in its own defenses, and it's
happened before.

At times we are truly "The United States of Amnesia".

And the best is too good for America. F-35s are good enough.

TL

I think the early-warning radar still works. Those waves of Bears are
about gone. Total 64 in service, guess 40 would be the most they could
muster for waves, 15 hour plus flight time, I think we might be able
to handle them. You don't?

The 14 aircraft do not include those in Alaska and the Canadian
Forces aircraft. In other words, they don't include the folks
tasked with providing defense against the threat he's ranting
about.

True, but I think the Canadian aircraft only bring the total to 20, 22 at the
most. I am not sure how many QRA are stood to in Alaska at any one time.

Four at each of two bases on immediate plus eight each that could
be available in time less whatever has been siphoned off by Noble
Eagle isn't it?


Peter Skelton

Peter Skelton wrote in
:

[snip]

The 14 aircraft do not include those in Alaska and the Canadian
Forces aircraft. In other words, they don't include the folks
tasked with providing defense against the threat he's ranting
about.

I think the al-Qanadian contribution might have amounted to maybe
8 aircraft on a good day. They only have some 4 dozen or so in
in service.

IBM

Jack Linthicum wrote:
On Feb 1, 1:16 am, T.L. Davis wrote:
On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 06:32:20 -0800 (PST), Mike
wrote:

...By 1997 officials

had suggested a "four corners" defense, maintaining alert sites in
Massachusetts, Oregon, California, and Florida. By September 11,
2001,only 14 interceptor aircraft were sitting alert in the United States.
Unbelievable, isn't it? 14 aircraft to protect the entire continental
United States... This was what NORAD was reduced to?? Pitiful.
What was the defense budget in 2001?? Who got all the money?

What if Russia had launched an old style attack with waves of Bears
and long range escorts?

Just incredible. I had thought that we had all of 16 aircraft
available on 9/11. I overestimated. This is what happens when a
country becomes grossly overconfident in its own defenses, and it's
happened before.

At times we are truly "The United States of Amnesia".

And the best is too good for America. F-35s are good enough.

TL

I think the early-warning radar still works. Those waves of Bears are
about gone. Total 64 in service, guess 40 would be the most they could
muster for waves, 15 hour plus flight time, I think we might be able
to handle them. You don't?

Not to mention Russia has nothing to gain using bombers instead of
ICBM and SLBM if they wish to start something stupid.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired