The Vietnam Memorial Wall

On 31 May 2004 18:45:49 GMT, Ian MacLure wrote:

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The Vietnam Memorial Wall

The what?

IBM

Seriously though unless this posting was aimed at bore Eurotrash
its kind of pointless and/or redundant.

Actually that would be the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. And, it shows
the names of US military that were killed in that war. Not those from
other services.

Here's an excerpt from "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights" coming out in
Feb '05 that's my take on the wall:

"Washington D. C. is a city of beautiful buildings and soaring
monuments. The capital dominates with its majestic dome and broad
stairways. The Supreme Court similarly rises among the stately trees
with strength in its columns and classic façade. The memorials to the
greats of our nations are white, broad and tall befitting the stature
of the military and political leaders which they honor. But, the Wall
is black and buried, a depression in the ground symbolizing the
depression of the nation that did not win the war or respect the men
who fought it. You can see the Washington Monument from miles away and
you won't need a map to find Lincoln or Jefferson or the World War II
memorial, but you could walk within a hundred yards of the Wall and
never see it. We seem to want to hide it, maybe hoping that an
obligation has been fulfilled but no one wants to admit that the
obligation existed in the first place.

"The names are listed in a paper directory, dog-eared and dirty from
thousands of hands searching through it for a name of a friend or
family member who was lost. It's chained to a plywood pedestal like a
small town phone book at a gas station pay-phone, almost as an
afterthought by the government that maybe some visitor might want to
know where on the wall among the 58,000 names their special person is
memorialized. But, they do want to know. They come from across the
country to see and to feel and to remember. Some say they come for
closure or to heal, but that is only a few. More come for respect and
to belatedly honor the fallen. And some come out of guilt that they
hadn't gone or hadn't done the right thing at the time.

"The sidewalk along the brooding black marble wall slopes gradually,
there are no steps along the way. It's almost a metaphor for the
gradualism that led us to failure. It marks the descent into the
immorality of sending men to die for a cause that the nation wants to
ignore. But when you reach the deepest point, the walk rises again and
gradually, over time returns to the level of the street and the city.
All things pass and maybe this represents a return to normalcy and
patriotism and honor; belief in your country's might and the
principles that the other soaring white monuments of Washington
commemorate. Maybe.

"Children visiting the Wall from the inner cities of America laugh and
tussle on the grass, showing little of the solemnity that we might
wish for this spot. They don't know these many years later exactly
what this is all about. They don't make a great distinction between
Verdun and Vietnam. But, that guy over there, the one in the dark suit
with the sunglasses, he knows the difference. The gray-haired fellow
coming down the walk with his grand-son holding his hand, he knows
many of these names. The heavy-set fellow in the West Point
sweatshirt, sitting on the park bench with the cane by his side was
there. The one in the tattered field jacket, with the beard and dirty
matted long hair? No, probably not. Odds are he's ten years too young
and simply another poseur and "wannabe." There are a lot of them these
days. You can buy the jacket in any town and the medals can be found
on eBay. But, that's the stereotype; the homeless, drug or alcohol
addicted hulk destroyed by the war. The reality is that the great
majority of the survivors of the war are just quiet old men, living
out their lives and remembering."



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

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On 31 May 2004 18:45:49 GMT, Ian MacLure wrote:

wrote in
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The Vietnam Memorial Wall

The what?

IBM

Seriously though unless this posting was aimed at bore Eurotrash
its kind of pointless and/or redundant.

Actually that would be the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. And, it shows
the names of US military that were killed in that war. Not those from
other services.

Here's an excerpt from "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights" coming out in
Feb '05 that's my take on the wall:

(snip)

It would of course require a very much larger wall to list the Vitnamese who
died in that previous ill-judged intervention.

John

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On 31 May 2004 18:45:49 GMT, Ian MacLure wrote:


wrote in
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The Vietnam Memorial Wall

The what?

IBM

Seriously though unless this posting was aimed at bore Eurotrash
its kind of pointless and/or redundant.

Actually that would be the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. And, it shows
the names of US military that were killed in that war. Not those from
other services.

Here's an excerpt from "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights" coming out in
Feb '05 that's my take on the wall:

(snip)

It would of course require a very much larger wall to list the Vitnamese who
died in that previous ill-judged intervention.

Nothing to stop the Vietnamese from building one.


SMH

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On 31 May 2004 18:45:49 GMT, Ian MacLure wrote:


wrote in
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The Vietnam Memorial Wall

The what?

IBM

Seriously though unless this posting was aimed at bore Eurotrash
its kind of pointless and/or redundant.

Actually that would be the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. And, it shows
the names of US military that were killed in that war. Not those from
other services.

Here's an excerpt from "Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights" coming out in
Feb '05 that's my take on the wall:

(snip)

It would of course require a very much larger wall to list the Vitnamese
who
died in that previous ill-judged intervention.

Nothing to stop the Vietnamese from building one.

True.

I wonder if they have.

John

Ed Rasimus wrote:

snip

"The sidewalk along the brooding black marble wall slopes gradually,
there are no steps along the way. It's almost a metaphor for the
gradualism that led us to failure. It marks the descent into the
immorality of sending men to die for a cause that the nation wants to
ignore. But when you reach the deepest point, the walk rises again and
gradually, over time returns to the level of the street and the city.
All things pass and maybe this represents a return to normalcy and
patriotism and honor; belief in your country's might and the
principles that the other soaring white monuments of Washington
commemorate. Maybe.

Gee, Ed, you can see what you see, but don't you think that making the
Memorial be accessible to those in wheelchairs (i.e. no stairs), undoubtedly
including a considerable number of Vietnam vets who wish to visit it, might
have played a part? I dont remember if the ADA was in effect at the time of
its design and construction, but things were certainly moving that way.

Guy

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 04:17:09 GMT, Guy Alcala
wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote:

snip

"The sidewalk along the brooding black marble wall slopes gradually,
there are no steps along the way. It's almost a metaphor for the
gradualism that led us to failure. It marks the descent into the
immorality of sending men to die for a cause that the nation wants to
ignore. But when you reach the deepest point, the walk rises again and
gradually, over time returns to the level of the street and the city.
All things pass and maybe this represents a return to normalcy and
patriotism and honor; belief in your country's might and the
principles that the other soaring white monuments of Washington
commemorate. Maybe.

Gee, Ed, you can see what you see, but don't you think that making the
Memorial be accessible to those in wheelchairs (i.e. no stairs), undoubtedly
including a considerable number of Vietnam vets who wish to visit it, might
have played a part? I dont remember if the ADA was in effect at the time of
its design and construction, but things were certainly moving that way.

Guy

ADA was in effect at that time. So, we haven't removed the steps at
the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorials. We just dedicated the WW II
Memorial which is white and above ground and has steps in several
places. We look up to the USMC Iwo Jima Flag-Raising statue. We stand
face to face on level ground with the Korean War Memorial.

It's a metaphor I'm using. One of those literary thingies.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

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On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 04:17:09 GMT, Guy Alcala
wrote:

Ed Rasimus wrote:

snip

"The sidewalk along the brooding black marble wall slopes gradually,
there are no steps along the way. It's almost a metaphor for the
gradualism that led us to failure. It marks the descent into the
immorality of sending men to die for a cause that the nation wants to
ignore. But when you reach the deepest point, the walk rises again and
gradually, over time returns to the level of the street and the city.
All things pass and maybe this represents a return to normalcy and
patriotism and honor; belief in your country's might and the
principles that the other soaring white monuments of Washington
commemorate. Maybe.

Gee, Ed, you can see what you see, but don't you think that making the
Memorial be accessible to those in wheelchairs (i.e. no stairs),
undoubtedly
including a considerable number of Vietnam vets who wish to visit it,
might
have played a part? I dont remember if the ADA was in effect at the time
of
its design and construction, but things were certainly moving that way.

Guy

ADA was in effect at that time.

I don't think so, Ed. ADA was enacted in 1990, about eight years after the
Memorial was dedicated. ISTR that the Federal government had its own access
guidelines for new construction in place well before ADA, though; as a young
cadet doing a Cadet Troop Leader Training tour with the Corps of Engineers
construction office at Robbins AFB in 1984, I can recall being somewhat
puzzled by the requirement to make a PAVE PAWS radar facility handicap
accessible and were providing handicap parking spots in front of it as well.

Brooks

So, we haven't removed the steps at
the Jefferson and Lincoln Memorials. We just dedicated the WW II
Memorial which is white and above ground and has steps in several
places. We look up to the USMC Iwo Jima Flag-Raising statue. We stand
face to face on level ground with the Korean War Memorial.

It's a metaphor I'm using. One of those literary thingies.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 04:17:09 GMT, Guy Alcala
wrote:

Gee, Ed, you can see what you see, but don't you think that making the
Memorial be accessible to those in wheelchairs (i.e. no stairs), undoubtedly
including a considerable number of Vietnam vets who wish to visit it, might
have played a part? I dont remember if the ADA was in effect at the time of
its design and construction, but things were certainly moving that way.

It is wheelchair accessible. The grades are less than 1:12, per
international standards. There are no steps anywhere.

Ken and I were first there years ago, not long after it opened, and we
had no difficulty getting him everywhere at the monument. It hasn't
changed in the ensuing years.

By the way, Ed, the Park Service replaces the directory regularly,
like once every four weeks in the summer (tourist season) and somewhat
less often in the winter. They check its condition daily and replace
it right away if needed.

Mary

--
Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer

By the way, Ed, the Park Service replaces the directory regularly,
like once every four weeks in the summer (tourist season) and somewhat
less often in the winter. They check its condition daily and replace
it right away if needed.

I was puzzled by the references to the tattered directory, here and in
a video about the Wall. Both times I've visited it (most recently in
January), it struck me as pristine. Apparently I've struck it just
after it was replaced.

The Wall is the only man-made thing in the United States that has ever
given me the reverential feeling that I often experienced in the great
cathedrals of Europe. I don't think this is entirely because I knew
some of the men whose names are engraved on it.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 05:46:26 -0400, Cub Driver
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By the way, Ed, the Park Service replaces the directory regularly,
like once every four weeks in the summer (tourist season) and somewhat
less often in the winter. They check its condition daily and replace
it right away if needed.

I was puzzled by the references to the tattered directory, here and in
a video about the Wall. Both times I've visited it (most recently in
January), it struck me as pristine. Apparently I've struck it just
after it was replaced.

The Wall is the only man-made thing in the United States that has ever
given me the reverential feeling that I often experienced in the great
cathedrals of Europe. I don't think this is entirely because I knew
some of the men whose names are engraved on it.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
The Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! weblog www.vivabush.org

YMMV. When I was there, the paper directory was dog-earred and
tattered. The unpainted plywood easel was distinctly makeshift and
seemed out of place. It looked like an afterthought and was definitely
"least cost provider."

Why can't there be an electronic kiosk? Touchscreen, alphabetical
query, returns graphic display showing location and panel
number...This isn't rocket science.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
Smithsonian Institution Press
ISBN #1-58834-103-8