Jon Johanson stranded in Antartica....

Felger Carbon wrote:
"Rich S." wrote in message
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"Rich S." wrote in message
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Ahead of me, barely visible through the haze was El Toro Marine
Air Station.

Correction. Now that I think on it, it may have been a Navy Air

base. Can't

remember and too lazy to look up a chart.


You were probably over the old blimp base (with its two famous blimp
hangars), which was converted to a Marine helicopter training base for
Vietnam.

Yeah, that was practically on final into SNA.

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Pollyanna = fuel from Polly?

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Dan D.



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Mike Borgelt wrote:

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Poor me.
Constantly catching cacophonous crap.


All you Johanson bleeding hearts and Pollyannas, check this....

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20031212_101.html



Barnyard BOb - bah humbug

On Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:17:28 -0500, "Ron Natalie"
wrote:

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:"Rich S." wrote in message
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: I went on to find Orange County (John Wayne to you kids)
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:Still Santa Ana to me.

You talking about Eddie Martin Airport?

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ET wrote:
"Jimmy Galvin" wrote in
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You can offer all apologies all you want but only for yourself. Don't
talk for me. I feel that he took a chance for glory, self promotion,
stupidity, or whatever and ended up with his tit caught in the
wringer. It is not up to me and my tax dollars to bail his sorry ass
out of the jamb he inflected on himself. This goes for all those fools
that climb mountains, trek through caves, or go exploring in the woods
relying on a GPS with 1/2 dead batteries to guide them along. They
should all just be left to their own devices and hopefully receive a
Darwin Award for their efforts.


Yeah, but to not even sell the guy fuel is bad form......

*WHY* ??

I'd suggest it is far _worse_ form for the PIC *not* to have "made sure of"
the necessary resources =in=advance=/


If a pilot makes an "emergency" (or otherwise) landing in a farmer's field,
is that farmer obligated in any way to sell him fuel from his farm holding
tank, so he can fly the plane back out?

What, if *anything*, is different about the two scenarios?

Presumably, Jon *knew* he was going to need fuel when he got there.

WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE ADVANCE ARRANGEMENTS to ship _his_own_ fuel there?

What 'flight services' were listed as available at that location?
Betcha it's "no services".

(Robert Bonomi) wrote in
ervers.com:

In article ,
ET wrote:
"Jimmy Galvin" wrote in
:

You can offer all apologies all you want but only for yourself.
Don't talk for me. I feel that he took a chance for glory, self
promotion, stupidity, or whatever and ended up with his tit caught
in the wringer. It is not up to me and my tax dollars to bail his
sorry ass out of the jamb he inflected on himself. This goes for all
those fools that climb mountains, trek through caves, or go
exploring in the woods relying on a GPS with 1/2 dead batteries to
guide them along. They should all just be left to their own devices
and hopefully receive a Darwin Award for their efforts.


Yeah, but to not even sell the guy fuel is bad form......

*WHY* ??

I'd suggest it is far _worse_ form for the PIC *not* to have "made
sure of" the necessary resources =in=advance=/


If a pilot makes an "emergency" (or otherwise) landing in a farmer's
field, is that farmer obligated in any way to sell him fuel from his
farm holding tank, so he can fly the plane back out?

What, if *anything*, is different about the two scenarios?

Presumably, Jon *knew* he was going to need fuel when he got there.

WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE ADVANCE ARRANGEMENTS to ship _his_own_ fuel there?

What 'flight services' were listed as available at that location?
Betcha it's "no services".




If that farmer had fuel to sell, yeah! I would. I'm not saying they
have too, I'm just saying they are being first class d$cks by not doing
it.

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ET


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:26:37 +0000,
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

In article ,
ET wrote:
"Jimmy Galvin" wrote in
:

You can offer all apologies all you want but only for yourself. Don't
talk for me. I feel that he took a chance for glory, self promotion,
stupidity, or whatever and ended up with his tit caught in the
wringer. It is not up to me and my tax dollars to bail his sorry ass
out of the jamb he inflected on himself. This goes for all those fools
that climb mountains, trek through caves, or go exploring in the woods
relying on a GPS with 1/2 dead batteries to guide them along. They
should all just be left to their own devices and hopefully receive a
Darwin Award for their efforts.

Yup, what ever happened to compassion and the exploratory spirit.?



Yeah, but to not even sell the guy fuel is bad form......

Right now we could use all the PR we can get and this would have been
a good way to pick up some.

Even back when the RUSSIANS were supposed to be the bad guys they gave
some one else fuel when we refused.

Looks like the NSA could stand a bit of tutoring in the humanistic
side of things.

So far even the state department is after them "as I understand".
but they haven't budged. So to me the whole operation down there is an
embarrassment to us.


*WHY* ??

I'd suggest it is far _worse_ form for the PIC *not* to have "made sure of"
the necessary resources =in=advance=/


If a pilot makes an "emergency" (or otherwise) landing in a farmer's field,
is that farmer obligated in any way to sell him fuel from his farm holding
tank, so he can fly the plane back out?

No, but most will out of something called compassion.
There is a big difference between being obligated and being obstinate.

What, if *anything*, is different about the two scenarios?

Obligation versus compassionate, versus obstinate.

Presumably, Jon *knew* he was going to need fuel when he got there.

WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE ADVANCE ARRANGEMENTS to ship _his_own_ fuel there?

What 'flight services' were listed as available at that location?
Betcha it's "no services".


Doesn't really matter. Had the weather gone as forecast he'd not have
needed any. It's not really a matter of being required, but rather
one of being of help.

There seem to be a lot of unforgiving people who could use a bit of
compassion when some one else screws up.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

I'd suggest it is far _worse_ form for the PIC *not* to have "made sure of"
the necessary resources =in=advance=/


If a pilot makes an "emergency" (or otherwise) landing in a farmer's field,
is that farmer obligated in any way to sell him fuel from his farm holding
tank, so he can fly the plane back out?

What, if *anything*, is different about the two scenarios?

Presumably, Jon *knew* he was going to need fuel when he got there.

WHY DIDN'T HE MAKE ADVANCE ARRANGEMENTS to ship _his_own_ fuel there?

What 'flight services' were listed as available at that location?
Betcha it's "no services".

My understanding is he wasn't actually planning to go there. There are
probably a number of problems with shipping fuel to places you are not
planning to go, just in case:
- it's expensive to ship it there
- you may have to ship it out again if you don't use it - I'm not sure
whether they would let you leave it there indefinitely

Roger Halstead wrote:

Doesn't really matter. Had the weather gone as forecast he'd not have
needed any. It's not really a matter of being required, but rather
one of being of help.

There seem to be a lot of unforgiving people who could use a bit of
compassion when some one else screws up.

The latest reports suggest they are now refusing to provide weather
forecasts. The policy down there seems to be that they won't let you
die, but that's about all you can expect. I have read that they
refused use of their phone, and I also heard that they would not allow
him to charge his own phone. There was an article about the policy in
todays newspaper:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...125711709.html

You can not possibly believe that there was "exploratory spirit" involved
here. He was not blazing new frontiers. It was simply a publicity stunt that
was only meant as a means of self promotion. Not one person on this planet
would have benefited other than himself had he pulled it off. He screwed up
by not being prepared and it is up to him to bail himself out.
"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:26:37 +0000,
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

In article ,
ET wrote:
"Jimmy Galvin" wrote in
:

You can offer all apologies all you want but only for yourself. Don't
talk for me. I feel that he took a chance for glory, self promotion,
stupidity, or whatever and ended up with his tit caught in the
wringer. It is not up to me and my tax dollars to bail his sorry ass
out of the jamb he inflected on himself. This goes for all those fools
that climb mountains, trek through caves, or go exploring in the woods
relying on a GPS with 1/2 dead batteries to guide them along. They
should all just be left to their own devices and hopefully receive a
Darwin Award for their efforts.

Yup, what ever happened to compassion and the exploratory spirit.?

Relax. H?a
"Jimmy Galvin" wrote in message
...
You can not possibly believe that there was "exploratory spirit" involved
here. He was not blazing new frontiers. It was simply a publicity stunt
that
was only meant as a means of self promotion. Not one person on this planet
would have benefited other than himself had he pulled it off. He screwed
up
by not being prepared and it is up to him to bail himself out.
"Roger Halstead" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Dec 2003 02:26:37 +0000,
(Robert Bonomi) wrote:

In article ,
ET wrote:
"Jimmy Galvin" wrote in
:

You can offer all apologies all you want but only for yourself.
Don't
talk for me. I feel that he took a chance for glory, self promotion,
stupidity, or whatever and ended up with his tit caught in the
wringer. It is not up to me and my tax dollars to bail his sorry ass
out of the jamb he inflected on himself. This goes for all those
fools
that climb mountains, trek through caves, or go exploring in the
woods
relying on a GPS with 1/2 dead batteries to guide them along. They
should all just be left to their own devices and hopefully receive a
Darwin Award for their efforts.

Yup, what ever happened to compassion and the exploratory spirit.?