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Wearing a G-1 flight jacket off base?
What are the current regulations in regard to this? A friend of mine
in Chicago said while he was at lunch the other day he saw a Navy officer in uniform and his G-1 at a fast food joint. He was suprised to the see the flight jacket, because he was under the impression they weren't allowed to be worn off base. I figure since the guy was in uniform and the G-1 doesn't really get used in the air much anymore, that it was fine to be wearing it. Thanks, ~Michael |
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Nomex (green) jacket can only be worn on flight line. You can wear it
coming on base, or leaving base but can only be "seen" in it on the flight line and the O'club. (Or entering and leaving quarters to or from the flightline.) That may be written down somewhere, but I never had a problem wearing the nomex jacket ANYWHERE on base in my entire career ... going back over thirty years. That includes the infamous era at Miramar when Field Day Fellows would post squadron XO's at the main gate to bust anyone wearing their flight jacket in their car. These days I wear one anywhere I please. R / John |
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"Jake Donovan" wrote in message news:%OKjb.80113$AH4.25335@lakeread06...
Woody, You almost got it right. Leather jackets can be worn any where in khakis or flight suit. Nomex (green) jacket can only be worn on flight line. You can wear it coming on base, or leaving base but can only be "seen" in it on the flight line and the O'club. (Or entering and leaving quarters to or from the flightline.) There is some leeway made for transient pilots with downed aircraft. I honestly had a black shoe Chief quote me the regs in an on base Navy Exchange while waiting on repairs (went and had lunch). I told him "this is what I arrived in, I wasn't sitting in 40 deg weather for hours in the transient shack and if he would like, he could accompany me to the Base CO and discuss it." Backed down and said, "I guess they allow that, Capt" and walked off. JD Thanks for the answer JD. And Woody, this wasn't something I was "worried" about, just something I wondered about. I've got zero problem with a flyer wearing his G-1 off base, rules permitting or not. Thanks, ~Michael "Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ... On 10/16/03 4:38 PM, in article , "Michael" wrote: What are the current regulations in regard to this? A friend of mine in Chicago said while he was at lunch the other day he saw a Navy officer in uniform and his G-1 at a fast food joint. He was suprised to the see the flight jacket, because he was under the impression they weren't allowed to be worn off base. I figure since the guy was in uniform and the G-1 doesn't really get used in the air much anymore, that it was fine to be wearing it. Thanks, ~Michael There are more important things to worry about but... My understanding of the current regulations is: Leather jackets may be worn either with khakis or with a flight suit on or off base. The green flight jacket may be worn only with the flight suit or with the "working khakis" and then only on base. Of course, I don't get spun up about it since I believe that pilots should dress like pilots and a flight suit in town (jacket or no) expresses a positive image to the public. --Woody |
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John,
This has happened in the last 2 or 3 years. I think it was part of the give and take that allowed us to wear flightsuits anywhere. Something had to give. Just a guess as most of it never made sense to me. JD (I like the one that allows black shoes to wear brown shoes because the women complained so much that black shoes didn't go with their khakis. (PLEASE NOTE - that reason is only rumor. What a world!) "John Carrier" wrote in message ... Nomex (green) jacket can only be worn on flight line. You can wear it coming on base, or leaving base but can only be "seen" in it on the flight line and the O'club. (Or entering and leaving quarters to or from the flightline.) That may be written down somewhere, but I never had a problem wearing the nomex jacket ANYWHERE on base in my entire career ... going back over thirty years. That includes the infamous era at Miramar when Field Day Fellows would post squadron XO's at the main gate to bust anyone wearing their flight jacket in their car. These days I wear one anywhere I please. R / John |
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On 10/17/03 8:36 AM, in article
, "Michael" wrote: Thanks for the answer JD. And Woody, this wasn't something I was "worried" about, just something I wondered about. I've got zero problem with a flyer wearing his G-1 off base, rules permitting or not. Thanks, ~Michael "Doug "Woody" and Erin Beal" wrote in message ... On 10/16/03 4:38 PM, in article , "Michael" wrote: What are the current regulations in regard to this? A friend of mine in Chicago said while he was at lunch the other day he saw a Navy officer in uniform and his G-1 at a fast food joint. He was suprised to the see the flight jacket, because he was under the impression they weren't allowed to be worn off base. I figure since the guy was in uniform and the G-1 doesn't really get used in the air much anymore, that it was fine to be wearing it. Thanks, ~Michael There are more important things to worry about but... My understanding of the current regulations is: Leather jackets may be worn either with khakis or with a flight suit on or off base. The green flight jacket may be worn only with the flight suit or with the "working khakis" and then only on base. Of course, I don't get spun up about it since I believe that pilots should dress like pilots and a flight suit in town (jacket or no) expresses a positive image to the public. --Woody The "worried about" comment wasn't meant to be pointed directly at you, Michael. In 17 years of doing this stuff, I'm a bit frustrated at the folks who *do* make a big deal of it (for various reasons). I can understand your curiosity factor... Which is why I made the attempt at answering the question instead of ending the post after the top line. But since my nerve has been inadvertently touched, allow me a small rant... The black shoe Navy (and some senior Flag aviators who have forgotten what it was like to be a JO) have gone a two different ways with flight clothing. (a) In the past, hold the aviators down by banning them from wearing the flight suit/jackets anywhere off base. Mighty frustrating having to change out of the flight suit to get gas while USAF dudes were having lunch at Burger King in theirs... Thank goodness those days are over. (b) Currently, they have proliferated it and made it something less "special" or unique to aviation. Not that I wear khakis very often, but when I do, I am proud to be a "brown shoe." Nowadays, the black shoes have the option of wearing brown shoes too (though honestly most don't for the same reason I don't wear the black ones) BUT many of them opt for the green Nomex flight jacket (which used to be an "aviators only item) instead of the (standard) khaki jacket. It's all part of the blending and melding that's so prevalent in the military today. Rant over. I feel better. --Woody |
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"I know the flight suits worn by any number of the pilots in the squadrons I served in would express anything *but* a "positive image to the public", were they to be seen in them off-base. Ah, but you never saw me in my tailored Orange suit with racing stripes. And then there was the Lehman's Navy Blue suit with "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" embroidered on the back. R / John |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:17:19 GMT, "Doug \"Woody\" and Erin Beal"
wrote: Strictly referring to the uniform itself (or organizational clothing for you purists): When I go to the grocery store in my flight suit, I am immediately recognized as a pilot by the public. Since 9/11, OEF, and OIF, it expresses a positive image to the public because they know it's my business clothes. Not that it was a uniform for me, being NASA, but it was my business clothes at times, too. I did notice people noticing, if you know what I mean. I've always wondered what the good folks of Buffalo thought when they saw our heterogenous group, with USAF, NYANG, NASA, and (at the time) Calspan name tags and patches on our flight suits and jackets. All of us were in the standard G.I. green bags, mostly with green jackets, because that's what we were issued. We spent a fair amount of time "in public", in restaurants, etc, too. The only way to tell who was a pilot and who wasn't, beyond general appearance, was to inspect name tags for wings, come to think of it. After all, I'm only half an inch too short for military aviation. Mary -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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