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[As I mentioned earlier, I'm going to use this "AVIATIONTOOLBOX" keyword
so that those who'd like to keep up with these projects can do so easily without the annoyance of using a mailing list and others can easily skip/ killfile them. If you have better suggestions, please feel free to send them to me directly or hash it out here. I don't plan to always post to comp.infosystems.gis but I thought this topic would be good to address there.] Recently I've been working a lot on manipulating the FAA sectionals I purchased. http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA_sectionals/ I've been amazed by the hundreds of people who have downloaded this data. There's apparently some interest in it so I'd like to solicit input on some of the projects I'm pursuing with the data. Right now I'm working on breaking up the maps into easily-used subimages. I do this (using GDAL) by hacking off all of the stuff around the maps, converting them to RGB, warping them to match the Wichita sectional, and then cutting them into chunks. The tricky part is that the maps overlap. For the North and South sides, this usually isn't a problem. Different regions however can depict the same geographic area quite differently. Choosing how to display these areas of overlap isn't obvious to me. I've made a couple of example attempts. The first http://aviationtoolbox.org/tmp/chunk_furthest.jpg simply chooses whatever pixel was furthest from the nearest edge in the original map. That does a fairly good job, but there is some information that is just lost - it's near the edge on both maps, so it isn't shown at all. (See the "PINONCANYON0 MSL" area on Denver/Wichita border.) The next http://aviationtoolbox.org/tmp/chunk-blended.jpg is a bit more complicated. The weighting of the pixels fades toward the edges so that the maps blend into each other. Sometimes this looks much better to me, but sometimes it looks like I'm trying to read in turbulence. (See the Dalhart airport/VOR.) The big advantage is that no information is lost. Another possibility I'm going to pursue is prioritizing the colors so that some colors (blue, maroon, black, ...) take complete priority over more "backgroundish" colors. That could make for some strange looking airports (See Miller dear Dalhart.) but I think it might look "cleaner" without information loss. So...anyone have strong feelings about how this should be done? Thank you. --kyler |
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On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 22:09:24 GMT
Kyler Laird wrote: [As I mentioned earlier, I'm going to use this "AVIATIONTOOLBOX" keyword so that those who'd like to keep up with these projects can do so easily without the annoyance of using a mailing list and others can easily skip/ killfile them. If you have better suggestions, please feel free to send them to me directly or hash it out here. I don't plan to always post to comp.infosystems.gis but I thought this topic would be good to address there.] Recently I've been working a lot on manipulating the FAA sectionals I purchased. http://aviationtoolbox.org/raw_data/FAA_sectionals/ I've been amazed by the hundreds of people who have downloaded this data. How do you and others mean to use these charts? Laptop in the plane? Just for reference during flight planning? Print them and take them along? R. Hubbell There's apparently some interest in it so I'd like to solicit input on some of the projects I'm pursuing with the data. Right now I'm working on breaking up the maps into easily-used subimages. I do this (using GDAL) by hacking off all of the stuff around the maps, converting them to RGB, warping them to match the Wichita sectional, and then cutting them into chunks. The tricky part is that the maps overlap. For the North and South sides, this usually isn't a problem. Different regions however can depict the same geographic area quite differently. Choosing how to display these areas of overlap isn't obvious to me. I've made a couple of example attempts. The first http://aviationtoolbox.org/tmp/chunk_furthest.jpg simply chooses whatever pixel was furthest from the nearest edge in the original map. That does a fairly good job, but there is some information that is just lost - it's near the edge on both maps, so it isn't shown at all. (See the "PINONCANYON0 MSL" area on Denver/Wichita border.) The next http://aviationtoolbox.org/tmp/chunk-blended.jpg is a bit more complicated. The weighting of the pixels fades toward the edges so that the maps blend into each other. Sometimes this looks much better to me, but sometimes it looks like I'm trying to read in turbulence. (See the Dalhart airport/VOR.) The big advantage is that no information is lost. Another possibility I'm going to pursue is prioritizing the colors so that some colors (blue, maroon, black, ...) take complete priority over more "backgroundish" colors. That could make for some strange looking airports (See Miller dear Dalhart.) but I think it might look "cleaner" without information loss. So...anyone have strong feelings about how this should be done? Thank you. --kyler |
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"R. Hubbell" writes:
How do you and others mean to use these charts? Laptop in the plane? Just for reference during flight planning? Print them and take them along? Yes. I'm mostly trying to make the data easily acessible so that others can be creative. I think they'll be used in ways I haven't even considered. Already I know of one person using them for flight planning, in-flight moving map display, and tracking search and rescue operations. --kyler |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:09:26 GMT
Kyler Laird wrote: "R. Hubbell" writes: How do you and others mean to use these charts? Laptop in the plane? Just for reference during flight planning? Print them and take them along? Yes. I'm mostly trying to make the data easily acessible so that others can be creative. I think they'll be used in ways I haven't even considered. Already I know of one person using them for flight planning, in-flight moving map display, and tracking search and rescue operations. Well I have to say I'm not sure how they could be used as a moving map. Wouldn't they need to be vector graphics with the some reference? Or is it possible to create geo references and plot courses and positions? I guess I'm thinking out loud but if you know it'd be great to hear how they are being used. i.e. the technical side It's really amazing how clear the images are R. Hubbell --kyler |
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"R. Hubbell" writes:
Well I have to say I'm not sure how they could be used as a moving map. Wouldn't they need to be vector graphics with the some reference? No, raster graphics are plenty fine for moving maps. Sure, there are some disadvantages, but since the sectional charts seem to be maintained in hard copy, I don't expect much beyond raster graphics soon. ('course if you want to make your own vector graphics, the data is available.) Or is it possible to create geo references and plot courses and positions? They're already GeoTIFFs. --kyler |
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I've downloaded the sectionals, and have brought them into Oziexplorer
moving map program ($75 download.) Also downloaded waypoints from one of several aviation waypoint generators and imported them into Ozi. After geo-referencing the map files, the waypoints line-up over the airports/vor's etc., so one can then create routes. So far, I haven't used it in the plane, but used it in the car and it seemed to work fine. Many thanks to Kyler. "Kyler Laird" wrote in message ... "R. Hubbell" writes: Well I have to say I'm not sure how they could be used as a moving map. Wouldn't they need to be vector graphics with the some reference? No, raster graphics are plenty fine for moving maps. Sure, there are some disadvantages, but since the sectional charts seem to be maintained in hard copy, I don't expect much beyond raster graphics soon. ('course if you want to make your own vector graphics, the data is available.) Or is it possible to create geo references and plot courses and positions? They're already GeoTIFFs. --kyler |
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"Tom Jackson" writes:
I've downloaded the sectionals, and have brought them into Oziexplorer moving map program ($75 download.) Also downloaded waypoints from one of several aviation waypoint generators and imported them into Ozi. After geo-referencing the map files, the waypoints line-up over the airports/vor's etc., so one can then create routes. What do you mean exactly by "After geo-referencing the map files"? They're already georeferenced. Is there a format problem/incompatibility? So far, I haven't used it in the plane, but used it in the car and it seemed to work fine. Great! I'm looking forward to doing something useful with them personally so I especially appreciate hearing that they're working for others. Many thanks to Kyler. You're quite welcome. Thank you for the report. --kyler |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 04:18:49 GMT
Kyler Laird wrote: "R. Hubbell" writes: Well I have to say I'm not sure how they could be used as a moving map. Wouldn't they need to be vector graphics with the some reference? No, raster graphics are plenty fine for moving maps. Sure, there are some disadvantages, but since the sectional charts seem to be maintained in hard copy, I don't expect much beyond raster graphics soon. Must be a ton of work to maintain and update them. ('course if you want to make your own vector graphics, the data is available.) Or is it possible to create geo references and plot courses and positions? They're already GeoTIFFs. There's the magic word. There are plenty of programs and libraries (of the software kind) for manipulating these files. If you had mentioned that they were geoTiffs already I must have missed it. R. Hubbell --kyler |
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:09:26 GMT
Kyler Laird wrote: "R. Hubbell" writes: How do you and others mean to use these charts? Laptop in the plane? Just for reference during flight planning? Print them and take them along? Yes. I'm mostly trying to make the data easily acessible so that others can be creative. I think they'll be used in ways I haven't even considered. Already I know of one person using them for flight planning, in-flight moving map display, and tracking search and rescue operations. FYI, this site has some good tools for wrangling geoTiff. I saw NT, linux, solaris and Mac binaries on their ftp site too. http://remotesensing.org/geotiff/geotiff.html R. Hubbell --kyler |
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Well, maybe my terminology is inaccurate, but what I meant to say was, I
load, and calibrate the map image. Basically, I load the map projection information into the program (i.e., Lambert Conformal Conic, with the appropriate lat/lon info.) I got this information from one of the HTML files related to the specific map TIFF. "Kyler Laird" wrote in message ... "Tom Jackson" writes: I've downloaded the sectionals, and have brought them into Oziexplorer moving map program ($75 download.) Also downloaded waypoints from one of several aviation waypoint generators and imported them into Ozi. After geo-referencing the map files, the waypoints line-up over the airports/vor's etc., so one can then create routes. What do you mean exactly by "After geo-referencing the map files"? They're already georeferenced. Is there a format problem/incompatibility? So far, I haven't used it in the plane, but used it in the car and it seemed to work fine. Great! I'm looking forward to doing something useful with them personally so I especially appreciate hearing that they're working for others. Many thanks to Kyler. You're quite welcome. Thank you for the report. --kyler |
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