What are your thoughts on.....

(Ben) wrote in message . com...

Well, how would you respond to this kind of proposal? let me know!


Negatively. While I understand your monetary dilemna, I have no
incentive for letting a high school senior, with no financial interest
in my plane, fly it. Sorry, but you asked how I would respond.

On the brighter side, you may find some owner whose plane is not
flown regularly. Surprisingly, a lot of folks work hard making the
money to afford the plane, then don't have time to fly it. Planes
that are not flown regularly begin to deteriorate. If you can find
this kind of owner, you might find someone who is receptive to your
proposal. I know a few folks that have pulled it off successfully
in the past. You will have to make the deal sound very attractive to
the time-strapped owner, so I suggest you sweeten the deal by offering
to perform some basic maintenance (oil changes, etc...) and cleaning
of the bird.

Good Luck,

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)

Worthington, MN (OTG)


Where are you based?

-Nathan

"Soon_To_Fly" wrote in message
e.rogers.com...
My domain is optonline.net, which is a major cable internet ISP. If you
block optonline.net then you stop email from millions of legitimate
addresses.

Otherwise known as SPAM. The only people I want to hear from in my inbox
are
my friends, family and those I have given permission to email me. I am not
trying to be arrogant, but I HATE unsolicited email with a passion.

Richard



Hey Richard, anytime someone asks for information, and supplies their email
address, the reply is solicited, by definition.

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
...

Why you replied by email, I don't know. However, as far as the blocked
domain goes, it's likely he has nothing to do with that.


I had info which I did not want to broadcast publicly but which I felt might
be directly useful to the poster of the question.

"Darrel Toepfer" wrote in message
. ..
Blocking the dialup/cable/dsl modem pooled IP's of another ISP are the
necessary evils of being an ISP.

No, they are not. Not when the ISPs being blocked are actively anti-spam.

"Ben Jackson" wrote in message
news:OV06c.31312$Cb.514996@attbi_s51...
Because I have a very low tolerance of fools who insist on contradicting
what I say, even when they don't have a clue.

You know, after your last bit of frothing I looked at some of your
older usenet posts. You didn't used to be such a dick. What happened?

You quoted the explanation. I've always been this way. It's just it takes
a particular kind of idiot to set me off. I don't mind people disagreeing
with me, but I do mind people flat out calling me a liar when they don't
have the facts on their side.

Pete

Roger Halstead wrote:

They should black hole all
the ISPs sending out those bounce messages and the two worst are AOL
and Microsoft. (or they were)

Well, *now* the bounce messages carry the virus themselves and the senders are
forged. I must've gotten at least 30 "bounces" from various addresses purporting
to be the filter at "america. net" before I finally just added the entire domain
to my block list.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

Ben wrote:

As a senior in high school, i was able to get my private pilot's
license on dec 31, 2003. i love flying(what pilot doesn't, right?)
but i'm looking for a cheaper way to build hours then renting. i was
just playing with an idea, and i wanted your responses. Would an
airplane owner ever offer to share operating expenses for payment to
share a plane?

I certainly would not consider doing that with a minor who has no assetts or
money. It's my house they're going to take if you run up more damages than the
insurance will cover, and, in this neck of the woods, 1 million doesn't cover a
whole lot.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

Welllll.....

Here is what happened here...

One of our partners is 24, working as a flight instructor and
pushing airplanes around...

He has little "up front cash" to invest...

But he is a "partner" with enough shares on paper to qualify
as a "part owner" .

The other 3 of us could each write a cheque for the airplane,
but operating costs are another matter (as most reading this NG are
aware) ....So our airplane HAS TO FLY, and we need enough GOOD pilots
involved to fly the thing 200 + hrs./yr.

This guy is a GOOD pilot, (commercial IFR) and is a
responsible person. He is the one who washes the aircraft when he is
slack,( the other "instructors" would not stop so low). He
sweeps/washes the floor, helps ANYONE pushing/handling their plane,
and is far and away the the best employee at the FBO, even when no
one is looking.

One of our partners is 73 (retired Airline Capt, 31000+ hrs)
who, because of age, "needs a checkout" G every 6 months for the
insurance co.

Guess who does this?

And is weather comes in, he is close by to check the tiedowns
etc. on "his" airplane...

Works for us anyway...

A senior in high school? That would be a reach. Personally I
think you should be able to bring some "value" to the partnership. Our
young "partner" (IMHO) brings significant value to our project..

Lotsa bucks up front was not the most important issue with
us...

YMMV...

Dave




On 16 Mar 2004 17:12:58 -0800, (Ben) wrote:

Hello,
As a senior in high school, i was able to get my private pilot's
license on dec 31, 2003. i love flying(what pilot doesn't, right?)
but i'm looking for a cheaper way to build hours then renting. i was
just playing with an idea, and i wanted your responses. Would an
airplane owner ever offer to share operating expenses for payment to
share a plane? i know that i would have to be put on an insurance
plan, and i of course would pay for over half of the owners insurance
payement, plus whatever kind of costs for annuals and other
inspections. i know this is almost like co-ownership, but i don't
have the resources to be buying a plane. I'm not trying to ask for
something for nothing, as i've said, i'll pay for operating and
insurance costs, as agreed with an owner.

Well, how would you respond to this kind of proposal? let me know!

Thanks in advance,
Benjamin

If you want to email me....
#b#a#s#o#g#@#r#r#c#n#e#t#.#o#r#g#

Peter Duniho wrote:
Darrel Toepfer wrote...

Blocking the dialup/cable/dsl modem pooled IP's of another ISP are the
necessary evils of being an ISP.

No, they are not. Not when the ISPs being blocked are actively anti-spam.

There is no valid reason to allow dialup accounts to send SMTP direct.
Route the mail through the provider's server, works for millions of
other people...