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Dan,
In Europe, the Diesel is a total winner. It should be here, too. A totally new concept for an engine? In the US pilot community? Come on, you gotta be kidding. half g -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Stefan,
Then the DA42 might be your new plane. Same cabin, basically. So you might gain load, but not space. -- Thomas Borchert (EDDH) |
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Thomas Borchert wrote:
Then the DA42 might be your new plane. Same cabin, basically. So you might gain load, but not space. Dan asked for more load and more range, the DA42 provides both. Plus more speed. Stefan |
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Bob Noel wrote:
In article , "Peter Duniho" wrote: Why not? I'm right handed, but have flown yoke equipped airplanes left-handed since I started flying. I presume that the problem Bob foresees is how to write things down while flying the airplane. bingo. I guess that rules our flying a stick equipped airplane or a chopper also, right? Matt |
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As the numbers dwindle the ability for you to continue your enjoyment is
more threatened than by it increasing. Much of the cost of GA is due to lack of economy of scale. If you want to ever sell your plane, you will need a pilot to buy it. Your ability to keep your airport open is a direct function of how many voters your local pilot population can speak to or know. Our ability to keep the majors (and the ever increasing threat from bizjets) from punting us from the skies and airports) is dependent on our ability to keep the piston friendly FBO's and flight schools in business. I think perhaps you are letting this issue get ahead of you, and in the long run it will end flying just the same as letting the plane get ahead of you. Perhaps I am a bit of a chicken little on this, but the sky IS falling, albeit slowly. "Jeremy Lew" wrote in message ... I don't understand many peoples' obsession with growth in the popularity of GA. The skies are plenty crowded enough as it is around where I fly. "Dude" wrote in message news ![]() "Dan Luke" wrote in message ... "Dude" wrote: So what interests you? Something that will take my daughter, my grandson, me and some luggage to Houston, against a 15kt headwind, nonstop, with comfortable IFR reserves. There are always mission trade offs, perhaps its just not the plane for you. That doesn't make it any less a good design, just not designed for your purpose. The SR20 is interesting, but I am still thinking the wingload is too high for a new pilot (less than 300 hours). Let him rent Skyhawks awhile. This is what has been killing GA for years. There have been surveys to find why more wealthy people do not take up aviation as a hobby. They found a number of problems that will not change FAA hassles, pimple faced instructors with no people skills, etc. The other thing was the flight schools are mostly dumps with a bunch of old ratty planes. Even a new Skyhawk is essentially an old plane. How do we expect to grow general aviation if we REFUSE to change what we are doing to attract new pilots? Isn't this the definition of insanity? Cessna is unconsciously doing to aviation what Microsoft and IBM did to technology - killing fast growth and innovation in favor of predictable business. Sure, 100 pounds would be more interesting, and I bet they could go to 200 hp and get it, but would that really make it more marketable? It would to me. You have to remember that these planes now come with a lot more weight requirements due to the new FARS. Like what, for instance? Better crash protection for one. This necessarily adds weight. Everyone wants more avionics now too. I wonder if the 40 could make your trip if it only had a single 430 and long range tanks. The only thing better in my book is the Lancair, and it's a lot more money. It's really in a different class, along with the SR-22. If it didn't have a side stick, I'd rather have an SR-20 than a D-40 for the better range & load. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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![]() "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... "Dude" wrote in message news ![]() How do we expect to grow general aviation if we REFUSE to change what we are doing to attract new pilots? Isn't this the definition of insanity? Cessna is unconsciously doing to aviation what Microsoft and IBM did to technology - killing fast growth and innovation in favor of predictable business. No. Cessna is doing it deliberately. Cessna did not really want to re-start manufacturing piston singles in the first place. They promised to do it when some kind of tort reform was passed. Bob Dole got the tort reform passed and leaned hard on Cessna to start building airplanes. Cessna sees the construction of new airplanes as a threat to a very lucrative business: building parts for old airplanes. So, those old planes would no longer need to be fixed? |
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![]() Dan Luke wrote: "Thomas Borchert" wrote: In Europe, the Diesel is a total winner. It should be here, too. There's no good argument for using them in the States. Gas isn't that much more expensive (if at all) than Jet-A, and gas is readily available in the lower 48. When that changes, you'll see more diesels here. Do a comparison of the diesel and gas Maules. The diesel costs more, is slower (due to cooling drag), and carries less weight (the engine weighs more). I also think it's pretty ugly, with that Hawker Typhoon style cowling, but that's a personal opinion. George Patterson In Idaho, tossing a rattlesnake into a crowded room is felony assault. In Tennessee, it's evangelism. |
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Why is it, then, that AOPA is crowing about the record number of members?
IMO, the high cost of flying is more due to excessive liability litigation, high fuel prices, and exhorbitant certification costs for airframes and engines. "Dude" wrote in message ... As the numbers dwindle the ability for you to continue your enjoyment is more threatened than by it increasing. Much of the cost of GA is due to lack of economy of scale. If you want to ever sell your plane, you will need a pilot to buy it. Your ability to keep your airport open is a direct function of how many voters your local pilot population can speak to or know. Our ability to keep the majors (and the ever increasing threat from bizjets) from punting us from the skies and airports) is dependent on our ability to keep the piston friendly FBO's and flight schools in business. I think perhaps you are letting this issue get ahead of you, and in the long run it will end flying just the same as letting the plane get ahead of you. Perhaps I am a bit of a chicken little on this, but the sky IS falling, albeit slowly. "Jeremy Lew" wrote in message ... I don't understand many peoples' obsession with growth in the popularity of GA. The skies are plenty crowded enough as it is around where I fly. "Dude" wrote in message news ![]() "Dan Luke" wrote in message ... "Dude" wrote: So what interests you? Something that will take my daughter, my grandson, me and some luggage to Houston, against a 15kt headwind, nonstop, with comfortable IFR reserves. There are always mission trade offs, perhaps its just not the plane for you. That doesn't make it any less a good design, just not designed for your purpose. The SR20 is interesting, but I am still thinking the wingload is too high for a new pilot (less than 300 hours). Let him rent Skyhawks awhile. This is what has been killing GA for years. There have been surveys to find why more wealthy people do not take up aviation as a hobby. They found a number of problems that will not change FAA hassles, pimple faced instructors with no people skills, etc. The other thing was the flight schools are mostly dumps with a bunch of old ratty planes. Even a new Skyhawk is essentially an old plane. How do we expect to grow general aviation if we REFUSE to change what we are doing to attract new pilots? Isn't this the definition of insanity? Cessna is unconsciously doing to aviation what Microsoft and IBM did to technology - killing fast growth and innovation in favor of predictable business. Sure, 100 pounds would be more interesting, and I bet they could go to 200 hp and get it, but would that really make it more marketable? It would to me. You have to remember that these planes now come with a lot more weight requirements due to the new FARS. Like what, for instance? Better crash protection for one. This necessarily adds weight. Everyone wants more avionics now too. I wonder if the 40 could make your trip if it only had a single 430 and long range tanks. The only thing better in my book is the Lancair, and it's a lot more money. It's really in a different class, along with the SR-22. If it didn't have a side stick, I'd rather have an SR-20 than a D-40 for the better range & load. -- Dan C172RG at BFM |
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![]() Dude wrote: Our ability to keep the majors (and the ever increasing threat from bizjets) from punting us from the skies and airports) is dependent on our ability to keep the piston friendly FBO's and flight schools in business. I don't agree with that at all. 1. The majors, as obnoxious as they are, aren't interested in most airports that you would likely want to use. 2. If the runway is 5,000 feet, or longer, the biz jets might want to share the airport with you, but they wouldn't push you out and, instead, might get you an ILS or some similar goodie that wouldn't have come around with a few "Cubs" parked at the airport. |
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