Reported by CNN this morning!!!!!

Toks Desalu wrote in message Can you believe this?
I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific
regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can
point it out?
Why they really want to make us look bad?

The airplane was a DHC-6 Twin Otter bringing tourists from Walker's Cay
Resort (the same as the cable TV fishing show) to Ft. Lauderdale. How
embarrassing! To CNN's credit, they included Walker's statement which points
out that the aircraft was under control of the First Officer during the
captain's nap.

D.

It was a Part 135 charter with a copilot, from what I read. There is no
regulation that says flat out "don't fall asleep," but there are plenty of
catch-all regulations that provide traps for the unwary.

Why did they do it? To sell a story to CNN and make a few bucks.

Bob Gardner

"Toks Desalu" wrote in message
news:3f182685@shknews01...
Guys!
You could not believe what I saw on CNN before I left for work. I
missed
the beginning of the segment, but I understood the whole story. A
passenger
was fliming during the flight. That film was showing on CNN. The pilot got
caught sleeping while flying. The pilot did not wear the headset. I
noticed
that he was wearing a ear plug. You could see his head tilt backward with
his left eye closed. The passenger claimed that he was filming him
sleeping
for about one hour. At the end of segment, the CNN went to FAA for
comments
and the FAA claimed that it was against the regulation. FAA claimed that
the
pilot must be awake and his must be on the control at all the time. There
is
no way to tell what kind of aircraft but, it was pretty clear that it is
under general aviation, a high wing with mulit-engine(propeller) aircraft.
Also, because of pilot's uniform, and other passengers, it indicated that
it
is under part 121 operation. But, I could be wrong. I have no idea where
the
flight was but the reporter said he/she was reporting from West Palm
Beach,
Florida.
Here my questions:
Can you believe this?
I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific
regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can
point it out?
Why they really want to make us look bad?
Feel free to comment on this.

Toks
PP_ASEL

Toks Desalu wrote:
Can you believe this?

In a word, yes.

Remember the Peter Principle. Why should the ranks of the pilot corps be
immune from having bums? Any profession you care to name will have
their share of people who are just along for the ride. It just happens
that in this case, the bum got caught and will go back to his propper
level in society. If he works hard and doesn't burn the burgers, he may
actually make shift manager some day.

--
----Because I can----
http://www.ernest.isa-geek.org/
------------------------

Here my questions:
Can you believe this?

Someone falling asleep flying? Sure, I can believe it. As someone once said,
"flying is long periods of sheer boredom punctuated by moments of sheer
terror".

I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific
regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can
point it out?

Hand? How about those eyelids getting in the way of a pilot's ability to
"see and avoid" as required by 91.113.

Why they really want to make us look bad?

"They" make "us" look bad?? How did that make you in particular look bad?

I'd say sleeping, drunk and disoriented pilots are all doing their fair
share of making us "look bad".

In article , "John Harlow"
writes:

Someone falling asleep flying? Sure, I can believe it. As someone once said,
"flying is long periods of sheer boredom punctuated by moments of sheer
terror".


Yeah, but they were talking about the Strategic Air Command. Regular commercial
flight is not supposed to include the moments of sheer terror.

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

Guys!
You could not believe what I saw on CNN before I left for work. I missed
the beginning of the segment, but I understood the whole story. A passenger
was fliming during the flight. That film was showing on CNN. The pilot got
caught sleeping while flying. The pilot did not wear the headset. I noticed
that he was wearing a ear plug. You could see his head tilt backward with
his left eye closed. The passenger claimed that he was filming him sleeping
for about one hour. At the end of segment, the CNN went to FAA for comments
and the FAA claimed that it was against the regulation. FAA claimed that the
pilot must be awake and his must be on the control at all the time. There is
no way to tell what kind of aircraft but, it was pretty clear that it is
under general aviation, a high wing with mulit-engine(propeller) aircraft.
Also, because of pilot's uniform, and other passengers, it indicated that it
is under part 121 operation. But, I could be wrong. I have no idea where the
flight was but the reporter said he/she was reporting from West Palm Beach,
Florida.
Here my questions:
Can you believe this?
I studied regulation back in college and don't remember any specific
regulation that said the hand must be at control at all time. Anybody can
point it out?
Why they really want to make us look bad?
Feel free to comment on this.

Toks
PP_ASEL

"Ernest Christley" wrote in message
. com...
It just happens
that in this case, the bum got caught and will go back to his propper
level in society. If he works hard and doesn't burn the burgers, he may
actually make shift manager some day.

i second this one!!! well put!

--
bob z.
p.s. summer breeze... makes me feel fine...

"people with less brain power than you are doing more difficult things
everyday"©

On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 11:56:07 -0700, "Toks Desalu"
wrote:

Guys!
You could not believe what I saw on CNN before I left for work. I missed
the beginning of the segment, but I understood the whole story.

Watched in on Fox yesterday or the day before. I was amazed as well.
He was snoozing along pretty good; shame they had to wake him up to
land. He was fired, by the way, and the FAA was investigating. Fox
told the name of the airline, but I forget. I don't think it was a
major.

Ricky

John Harlow wrote:

Someone falling asleep flying? Sure, I can believe it. As someone once said,
"flying is long periods of sheer boredom punctuated by moments of sheer
terror".

As far as I know, the original version of this comes from "Fate is the Hunter",
by Ernest Gann. He was referring to piloting commercial airliners in the late
thirties.

George Patterson
The optimist feels that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The
pessimist is afraid that he's correct.
James Branch Cavel

He was fired, by the way, and the FAA was investigating. Fox
told the name of the airline, but I forget. I don't think it was a
major.


Walker International...and the pilot left on his own, he was not fired.


-John
*You are nothing until you have flown a Douglas, Lockheed, Grumman or North
American*